Option 2 seems to require some more time? Looking at the thread above, I think a reasonable thing to do with the current time lines is to do 1. which most people are proposing anyways.
Coming to the username and password being the same in breeze, I personally find that OK and would find it harder to adjust to a new password every time i run breeze. Thanks & Regards, Amogh Desai On Fri, Mar 28, 2025 at 2:04 AM Vincent Beck <vincb...@apache.org> wrote: > Given the different concerns to consider SAM as secured for production use > and time, I decided to go with option 1. We can always iterate on it later > and update SAM to make it production ready if we want to. > > I created a PR to update the banner, I used the text proposed by Amogh and > I converted the warning alert to an info one. I also added an option to > close/hide the banner if users want to. Reviews are welcome: > https://github.com/apache/airflow/pull/48463 > > On 2025/03/27 19:14:02 Jarek Potiuk wrote: > > Yeah. Maybe a good solution would be to correlate the random password > with > > removing the banner. > > > > > > I would be pretty happy if in order to disable the banner user(s) would > > have to be securely configured by the deployment manager - essentially > > converting the developement friendly (development only) SAM with password > > generated and shown in the logs into a low-grade production SAM by the > fact > > of configure users/password in a secure way. > > > > Now, the question is what it mean for the confugurationto to be 'secure'. > > > > J > > > > > > czw., 27 mar 2025, 19:56 użytkownik Vincent Beck <vincb...@apache.org> > > napisał: > > > > > Is the security issue only printing out the passwords in stdout? If > yes, I > > > can easily remove that. > > > > > > On 2025/03/27 18:29:27 Jarek Potiuk wrote: > > > > Just a comment. > > > > > > > > Explaining how to disable it is almost the same as officially making > it > > > > production-ready but without guarantees. Look how many people are > using > > > > sequential executor despite having the warning. If we tell people > how to > > > > disable it easily, they will just use it. Plenty of themm. > > > > > > > > And I am not against it. > > > > > > > > I would've for it and make it ready, rather than pretending it is > not > > > > happening and getting hit be some security issue raised to us > because > > > big > > > > percentage of our users will just use it. > > > > > > > > J. > > > > > > > > czw., 27 mar 2025, 18:29 użytkownik Daniel Standish > > > > <daniel.stand...@astronomer.io.invalid> napisał: > > > > > > > > > So yes we can make it friendlier and then tell users how it can be > > > disabled > > > > > by config. > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2025 at 10:28 AM Daniel Standish < > > > > > daniel.stand...@astronomer.io> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > There needs to be a way to disable the banner IMO > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2025 at 10:20 AM Kaxil Naik <kaxiln...@gmail.com > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> message cut: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I am fine with Option (1) given the current time constraints and > > > since > > > > > it > > > > > >> is for dev only and can be iterated in follow-up releases > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Thu, 27 Mar 2025 at 22:47, Kaxil Naik <kaxiln...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > I am fine with Option (1) imo > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > On Thu, 27 Mar 2025 at 22:05, Vincent Beck < > vincb...@apache.org> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> >> Following back on that thread (I should probably have called > it > > > out > > > > > >> >> during the Airflow 3 dev call). We have two options: > > > > > >> >> - Option 1: update the banner with a friendlier message > > > > > >> >> - Option 2: resolve the security issue to make SAM > production > > > > > >> compatible > > > > > >> >> and remove the banner > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> Any preference on which option we should go with? > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> On 2025/03/24 16:52:11 "Oliveira, Niko" wrote: > > > > > >> >> > Agreed, I think combining the two will make SAM not so > simple. > > > But > > > > > we > > > > > >> >> should definitely have an open source, easy to acquire > option for > > > > > >> people to > > > > > >> >> use that has all the bells and whistles that SAM does not > have. > > > And > > > > > >> >> KeyCloack is a decent option for this! > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > ________________________________ > > > > > >> >> > From: Vincent Beck <vincb...@apache.org> > > > > > >> >> > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2025 6:04:42 AM > > > > > >> >> > To: dev@airflow.apache.org > > > > > >> >> > Subject: RE: [EXT] [DISCUSS] confusing alert re > > > SimpleAuthManager > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the > > > organization. Do > > > > > >> not > > > > > >> >> click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the > > > sender and > > > > > >> know > > > > > >> >> the content is safe. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > AVERTISSEMENT: Ce courrier électronique provient d’un > > > expéditeur > > > > > >> >> externe. Ne cliquez sur aucun lien et n’ouvrez aucune pièce > > > jointe si > > > > > >> vous > > > > > >> >> ne pouvez pas confirmer l’identité de l’expéditeur et si vous > > > n’êtes > > > > > >> pas > > > > > >> >> certain que le contenu ne présente aucun risque. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > I do not think integrating KeyCloak with SAM is a great > idea. > > > > > Having > > > > > >> a > > > > > >> >> separate auth manager specific to KeyCloak is, on the other > > > side, a > > > > > >> good > > > > > >> >> idea. We should keep SAM simple as it is. I also do not think > > > making > > > > > it > > > > > >> >> secure require a lot of work so I do not think it is worth > > > having a > > > > > >> >> development and production mode. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > On 2025/03/21 21:52:13 Buğra Öztürk wrote: > > > > > >> >> > > Giving users a warning sounds good. > > > > > >> >> > > I agree with Pierre, too. How about defining the rules > set > > > to be > > > > > >> >> secure by > > > > > >> >> > > design? Or just following up on a pattern without > discovering > > > > > >> >> something > > > > > >> >> > > new? Could you please elaborate on Jarek? > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > *TLDR* > > > > > >> >> > > It may be a slight implementation detail and just a > thought, > > > but > > > > > we > > > > > >> >> could > > > > > >> >> > > integrate Keycloak into the SAM, providing development > and > > > > > >> production > > > > > >> >> modes > > > > > >> >> > > with configurations such as breeze dev and installation > > > prod. I > > > > > >> >> believe > > > > > >> >> > > that instead of maintaining an application to always be > > > secure by > > > > > >> >> default, > > > > > >> >> > > we can focus on maintaining integration within SAM. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2025 at 7:28 PM Vincent Beck < > > > > > vincb...@apache.org> > > > > > >> >> wrote: > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > We could simply stop printing out these passwords. > > > Passwords > > > > > are > > > > > >> >> auto > > > > > >> >> > > > generated if not already defined in a file configured > in > > > > > `[core] > > > > > >> >> > > > simple_auth_manager_passwords_file`. So the user can > see > > > these > > > > > >> >> passwords by > > > > > >> >> > > > opening this file. We could (if it is not considered as > > > > > >> unsecured?) > > > > > >> >> print > > > > > >> >> > > > out the filename in the stdout so that the user can > click > > > on it > > > > > >> and > > > > > >> >> see the > > > > > >> >> > > > passwords only if some passwords changed. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > On 2025/03/21 18:03:19 Jarek Potiuk wrote: > > > > > >> >> > > > > Well.. Actually Pierre is quite right. While we have > not > > > > > >> intended > > > > > >> >> Simple > > > > > >> >> > > > > Auth Manager for production it **could** be used. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > However we would have to carefully think what to do > with > > > > > >> default > > > > > >> >> > > > passwords > > > > > >> >> > > > > etc. Currently a lot of warnings in CodeQL were about > > > > > "writing > > > > > >> >> sensitive > > > > > >> >> > > > > information to logs" - and a lot of that is about SAM > > > (nice > > > > > >> >> acronym BTW) > > > > > >> >> > > > > writing the generated passwords to logs and stdout. > And I > > > > > >> >> dismissed it as > > > > > >> >> > > > > "Used in tests" for SAM cases. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > So if we decide to use it, we need to decide how to > deal > > > with > > > > > >> the > > > > > >> >> > > > password > > > > > >> >> > > > > generation and default users. We should follow (and > this > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > >> >> future > > > > > >> >> > > > will > > > > > >> >> > > > > be even mandated by various regulations like CRA) is > > > "secure > > > > > by > > > > > >> >> default". > > > > > >> >> > > > > Which means that default installation MUST be secure. > > > Once we > > > > > >> >> solve > > > > > >> >> > > > this, I > > > > > >> >> > > > > am fine with using SAM in production > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > J. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > On Fri, Mar 21, 2025 at 6:27 PM Pierre Jeambrun < > > > > > >> >> pierrejb...@gmail.com> > > > > > >> >> > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Is it really wrong to use the SimpleAuthManager in > > > > > >> production ? > > > > > >> >> To my > > > > > >> >> > > > > > knowledge it lacks a lot of features such as user > > > > > management > > > > > >> >> and the > > > > > >> >> > > > > > permission model is really simplistic, but maybe > some > > > > > >> >> installations > > > > > >> >> > > > don’t > > > > > >> >> > > > > > need the fancy Auth stuff ? > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Instead of being a scary warning that could be > just an > > > info > > > > > >> >> block, with > > > > > >> >> > > > > > details and mention of other Auth Manager in case > more > > > use > > > > > >> >> cases need > > > > > >> >> > > > to be > > > > > >> >> > > > > > supported. (Or link to doc etc) > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Also we can easily add a “don’t show again” box or > > > > > something > > > > > >> >> like that, > > > > > >> >> > > > > > stored on the client side and remove the message if > > > chosen > > > > > by > > > > > >> >> the > > > > > >> >> > > > user. (Or > > > > > >> >> > > > > > even a global config setting for all users). > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > On Fri 21 Mar 2025 at 16:03, Vincent Beck < > > > > > >> vincb...@apache.org> > > > > > >> >> wrote: > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > This alert can be definitely improved. I do > think we > > > > > should > > > > > >> >> have it > > > > > >> >> > > > and > > > > > >> >> > > > > > we > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > should not remove it. If you have some proposals, > > > please > > > > > >> feel > > > > > >> >> free to > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > create a PR, I'll be happy to review. Mentioning > the > > > > > other > > > > > >> >> auth > > > > > >> >> > > > managers > > > > > >> >> > > > > > as > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > alternatives is, I think, a great idea. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > On 2025/03/21 07:20:26 Amogh Desai wrote: > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > Hmmm, I wonder if it can instead be made > clearer. > > > > > >> Something > > > > > >> >> like > > > > > >> >> > > > this? > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > *Simple Auth Manager Enabled.* > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > *The Simple Auth Manager is intended for > > > development > > > > > and > > > > > >> >> testing. > > > > > >> >> > > > If > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > you're > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > using it in production, ensure that access is > > > > > controlled > > > > > >> >> through > > > > > >> >> > > > other > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > means. * > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > *<link some doc>* > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards, > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > Amogh Desai > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 11:58 PM Daniel > Standish > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > <daniel.stand...@astronomer.io.invalid> wrote: > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > I'm saying, sounds confusing! > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 11:27 AM < > > > > > >> consta...@astronomer.io > > > > > >> >> > > > .invalid> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > Sounds great! Do we have something in the > > > config > > > > > >> linter > > > > > >> >> to > > > > > >> >> > > > > > highlight > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > this > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > change? > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 20, 2025, at 11:19 PM, Daniel > Standish > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > <daniel.stand...@astronomer.io.invalid> > wrote: > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > It says this: > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > Development-only auth manager configured > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > The auth manager configured in your > > > environment > > > > > is > > > > > >> >> the Simple > > > > > >> >> > > > > > Auth > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > Manager, > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > which is intended for development use > only. > > > It is > > > > > >> not > > > > > >> >> > > > suitable > > > > > >> >> > > > > > for > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > production and should not be used in a > > > production > > > > > >> >> > > > environment. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 10:48 AM Jarek > > > Potiuk < > > > > > >> >> > > > ja...@potiuk.com > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> What's the alert - at least for me it > did > > > not > > > > > get > > > > > >> >> through > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 6:33 PM Daniel > > > Standish > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> <daniel.stand...@astronomer.io.invalid> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >>> I should add, the import here is, many > > > users > > > > > who > > > > > >> >> never > > > > > >> >> > > > > > customized > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > auth > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >>> before will now see this message and > not > > > really > > > > > >> >> have a clue > > > > > >> >> > > > > > what > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > they > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >>> supposed to do, and I think it will > > > probably > > > > > >> create > > > > > >> >> a good > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > amount of > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >>> confusion. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >>> On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 10:27 AM Daniel > > > > > Standish > > > > > >> < > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >>> daniel.stand...@astronomer.io> wrote: > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >>>> I just saw this when spinning up > airflow > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >>>> [image: image.png] > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >>>> I think the message is confusing / > > > misleading > > > > > / > > > > > >> >> not very > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > helpful. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >>>> There's nothing necessarily wrong with > > > having > > > > > >> >> simple auth > > > > > >> >> > > > or > > > > > >> >> > > > > > no > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > auth > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >>>> you control access some other way. > > > Moreover > > > > > we > > > > > >> >> don't tell > > > > > >> >> > > > > > users > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > what > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> they > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >>>> should do instead! > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >>>> So I think we should either remove > this > > > bubble > > > > > >> or > > > > > >> >> add more > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > nuance > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > and > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >>>> point them in a direction that will > lead > > > them > > > > > to > > > > > >> >> what we > > > > > >> >> > > > *do* > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > recommend. > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > > >> >> dev-unsubscr...@airflow.apache.org > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > > >> >> dev-h...@airflow.apache.org > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > > > dev-unsubscr...@airflow.apache.org > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > > > >> dev-h...@airflow.apache.org > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >> >> > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > dev-unsubscr...@airflow.apache.org > > > > > >> >> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > dev-h...@airflow.apache.org > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > -- > > > > > >> >> > > Bugra Ozturk > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >> >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@airflow.apache.org > > > > > >> >> > For additional commands, e-mail: > dev-h...@airflow.apache.org > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@airflow.apache.org > > > > > >> >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@airflow.apache.org > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@airflow.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@airflow.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@airflow.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@airflow.apache.org > >
