OK. So I understand we can proceed with the hardening change, and
separately we can discuss what tags we push to our DockerHub.

I would love to get an approval on that one:
https://github.com/apache/airflow/pull/73038. It should also speed up the
builds in anumber of cases, including v3-4-test builds and documentation
builds, because we will avoid edge cases where Python has to be rebuilt
from sources.

J.


On Thu, Oct 15, 2026 at 9:38 PM Jarek Potiuk <[email protected]> wrote:

> Question (for Lazy consensus):
>
> Does anyone oppose the hardened image as a base? If so
> https://github.com/apache/airflow/pull/73038 could be approved and
> used for beta testing - it will likely speed up the work that Ilya is
> doing on Python 3.15 support.
>
> Then we can separately discuss whether to publish the legacy image, or
> even only decide to publish it if there will be isues with hardened
> image. The change in #73038 already allows to choose whether to build
> "hardened" or "legacy" image.
>
> J.
>
>
> J
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2026 at 10:37 AM Jarek Potiuk <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > Also - the https://github.com/apache/airflow/pull/73038 is green and
> ready to review/merge. It keeps both the old way of building images and the
> new hardened images. We can still choose (that will be a follow-up) which
> images to release. I hope we can reach a consensus on whether to release
> the -legacy one (it could have another name as well), so - for now I think
> merging this one and getting consensus on hardened images would be useful,
> allowing for more voices and discussion afterward.
> >
> > J.
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2026 at 10:09 AM Jarek Potiuk <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> It's a vanity metrics of course but we had 14M downloads in September
> as reported by Dockerhub. Like for other things we do not have more
> detailed data unfortunately.
> >>
> >> J.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Oct 12, 2026, 23:58 Vikram Koka via dev <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I agree that many users may be extending the image and would like to
> see
> >>> some data if possible before making this call.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2026 at 3:56 PM Vikram Koka <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> > Hmm, what data do we have on the use of our production images?
> >>> >
> >>> > For example for 3.3 vs. other versions over the last year?
> >>> >
> >>> > On Mon, Oct 12, 2026 at 4:09 AM Jarek Potiuk <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> > I’m -5 to publishing the `-legacy` tag though. If someone wants
> that:
> >>> >> write your own Dockerfile and build it yourself.  Our prod image
> should
> >>> >> not
> >>> >> try to be everything to everyone.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> If we do not publish the legacy image, migration to 3.4 will be
> harder for
> >>> >> a number of current users. In the past, there were issues where
> people
> >>> >> used
> >>> >> the image we published.
> >>> >> Many users extend the image by adding their dependencies, which
> might
> >>> >> cause
> >>> >> issues. The same occurred when we migrated to Bookworm two years
> ago:
> >>> >> libraries and dependencies change. Tools work a bit differently.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> But yes - we might not publish the image. We could simply tell
> people, as
> >>> >> we have done in the past, that they can build their own image
> instead of
> >>> >> us
> >>> >> publishing it ourselves. I am totally open to that.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> J.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Mon, Oct 12, 2026 at 10:23 AM Ash Berlin-Taylor <[email protected]>
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> > I’m +1 to just using latest Debian stable at the start of every
> minor
> >>> >> > release (I.e. 3.4.x will always be based on Debian 13)
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > I’m -5 to publishing the `-legacy` tag though. If someone wants
> that:
> >>> >> > write your own Dockerfile and build it yourself.  Our prod image
> should
> >>> >> not
> >>> >> > try to be everything to everyone.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > -ash
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > > On 10 Oct 2026, at 11:02, Jarek Potiuk <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > > Hello everyone,
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > > Following the discussion [1], I'd like to call for lazy
> consensus on
> >>> >> how
> >>> >> > > we build the CI and PROD images starting with Airflow 3.4.0:
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > > * 3.4.0: the CI image and the default PROD images are based on
> Docker
> >>> >> > >  Hardened Images (Python prebuilt by Docker) on Debian 13
> "trixie".
> >>> >> > >  The base images are mirrored to
> ghcr.io/apache/airflow/base/python,
> >>> >> > >  so building our images needs no registry credentials.
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > > * 3.4.x: we still publish PROD images built the current way
> (Python
> >>> >> > >  compiled from sources by us on Debian 12 "bookworm"), but only
> under
> >>> >> a
> >>> >> > >  new "-legacy" tag suffix (e.g.
> >>> >> apache/airflow:3.4.0-python3.12-legacy),
> >>> >> > >  with a deprecation warning printed by the entrypoint.
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > > * 3.5.0: we drop the legacy images and bookworm entirely.
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > > * Testing: legacy images are not built in PRs or canary builds.
> A
> >>> >> weekly
> >>> >> > >  scheduled job on main builds them and runs the PROD image
> checks, and
> >>> >> > >  they are fully built and tested on the v3-4-test branch and
> before
> >>> >> > >  every 3.4.x release.
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > > The implementation is in
> https://github.com/apache/airflow/pull/73038
> >>> >> .
> >>> >> > > Breeze can build either flavor ("--image-flavor
> hardened|legacy",
> >>> >> > > "--debian-version trixie|bookworm"); the CI image is always
> hardened
> >>> >> > > and trixie-based.
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > > Two follow-ups will occur after this one merged:
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > > * integrating -legacy in CI/release framework
> >>> >> > > * security: signing our images cryptographically
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > > The last point is the benefit of using hardened images: they are
> >>> >> already
> >>> >> > > cryptographically signed, our images can build on top of that
> and
> >>> >> > > will be signed as well. with provenance information
> >>> >> > > so that our users will know the images were built using our
> secured
> >>> >> > > environment. I will implement this change by adding
> >>> >> > > a secure environment for all parts of the release process.
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > > The lazy consensus will last 72 hours, until 2026-10-13 18:00
> UTC. If
> >>> >> > > there are no objections by then, I will consider it accepted.
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > > [1]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread/y0mlxsx36kzc84tn31q1kyl4rdvgv1xx
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > > J.
> >>> >> > >
> >>> >> > >
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