Hi John.

Thanks for more info. I'd like to pry more for a little bit of information
(in-lined):

On Thu, Dec 04, 2014 at 04:19PM, John Speidel wrote:
> Hi Cos,
> As mentioned above, it isn't currently possible to augment an existing
> stack at runtime with new services/components.  You could possibly change
> the stack associated with a running cluster to a new stack which contains
> the required services/components, but this new stack definition would need
> to be available to ambari so it really isn't very dynamic.  We understand

Let me describe this scenario as I understood this. Let's say I have two
stacks:
  - StackA (with usual set of components), currently installed on a cluster
  - StackB == StackA + ComponentX 
So, if I add StackB definition to the Ambari server and restart it, will I be
able to switch from StackA to StackB _without_ resintalling the cluster, and
then add/configure ComponentX's service?

If my depiction is correct then it might be an acceptable workaround in the
absence of dynamic extensibility.

> that going forward that the stack framework will need to be more extensible
> and dynamic as additional stack definitions are created.  Some of the
> underlying work to make stack processing more flexible has already been
> done in anticipation of new requirements in this area.

Shivaji Dutta, in an offline email exchange, pointed me to AMBARI-7175 and
AMBARI-7201, which is seemingly going into the right direction, but still
would require a stack re-definition, if I read it right.

> This is actually the second time that this scenario has came up for me
> today so it would be nice to get a Jira filed for an enhancement where the
> community can start to discuss the associated use cases.

I will start a JIRA and put together the set of requirements.

Regards,
  Cos

> -John
> 
> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> > Thanks for chiming in, Erin! Do you know if there's any plan to have
> > dynamic
> > extensibility for services? For instance, Cloudera Manager has this
> > concept of
> > Custom Services. And while it was done as an added late fix for parcels, it
> > provides a way of adding new software components into an existing Hadoop
> > cluster. Which seems to be a pretty handy concept, considering the liquid
> > state of the whole Hadoop ecosystem.
> >
> > It seems that this functionality, if desired, is going to be brand new and
> > as
> > such require not just development but also re-consideration at the design
> > level. Am I right? Appreciate the thoughts!
> >
> > The best part of active-active masters paradigm is that a client can work
> > with
> > either of them without a concern of which one is ahead or behind of the
> > rest
> > as they are equal. Essentially this solves some major issues that pester
> > active-standby solutions.
> >
> > And yes, we do install the services to the cluster's nodes as you
> > suggested in
> > the later part of your email - after all they are just Linux daemons
> > (although
> > Ambari tries to hide the fact for whatever reason that is). However this
> > presents the core of the very issue: Ambari isn't aware about services
> > installed outside of its realm, and it doesn't provide any monitoring or
> > life-cycle management for those. And because of that I am trying to figure
> > out
> > what can be done in this regards to have this dynamism.
> >
> > With regards,
> >   Cos
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 02, 2014 at 08:41AM, Erin Boyd wrote:
> > > Hi Cos,
> > > Currently, adding services dynamically is not supported in Ambari.  It is
> > > generally done, as you mentioned through the creation of a stack with the
> > > services definition defined within in.  I also don't believe we currently
> > > support multiple masters on the same cluster.  How would one
> > deferientiate
> > > which master it should be using in such an environment?
> > >
> > > Of course services can be installed independent of Ambari on the hosts
> > > inside the cluster...but I don't think that is what you are getting at.
> > Are
> > > you expecting the services to have a presence on the UI though installed
> > > outside of Ambari?
> > >
> > > Erin
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Konstantin Boudnik" <[email protected]>
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 6:42:30 PM
> > > Subject: About extensibility of Ambari stacks (not inheritance)
> > >
> > > Guys,
> > >
> > > I am looking into possible stack extensibility properties of Ambari (not
> > to be
> > > confused with inheritance), but haven't been able to derive any final
> > > conclusions just yet. Hence, I'd appreciate the input from the people
> > behind
> > > the system.
> > >
> > > I have a few questions about current state of the Ambari (version 1.6.1
> > and
> > > coming 1.7, and possibly later?) with regards to ability to expand an
> > existing
> > > stack definitions with a 3rd party services and do it in the runtime,
> > rather
> > > than only during the installation. We need to be able to run a multiple
> > > instances of our master service in the cluster, which isn't typical for
> > > "normal" Hadoop concept where only one master can exist for any giving
> > > service.
> > >
> > > Our use case is to be able to amend an exiting cluster setup (HDP,
> > Bigtop,
> > > etc.) with a new service running on top of HDFS; but not to reinstall the
> > > whole stack. The reason we have the use case is that oftentimes our
> > software
> > > is being added to an existing 3rd party environment, as an added bonus,
> > not
> > > available during the initial planning and setup of the cluster.
> > >
> > > The way I understand Ambari's stack inheritance is that a scion stack
> > will
> > > be a brand new entity, e.g. I won't be able to cherry-pick services from
> > it
> > > and add them to the already installed parent stack's cluster, right?
> > >
> > > So far from I see it doesn't seem possible without introducing a
> > brand-new
> > > version of a stack e.g. 'stack inheritance'. Which, unfortunately, won't
> > work
> > > as per my explanation of the use above case. I guess another way to look
> > at it
> > > is this: would it be possible to add a component (or a service) that will
> > > override an existing component or a service, but without a need to
> > reinstall
> > > the rest of the stack?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance for any info/ideas.
> > >   Cos
> >
> 
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