IMO, First way is not heavier when we consider all the efforts for mpack with
upgrades. And first one is easiest to adopt now.
We'll start discussing the bigtop mailing list further.
On 21/06/22, 1:11 PM, "吴治国" <wzg547228...@163.com> wrote:
Thanks for the details, Brahma and Kengo.
If I understand it correctly, there are two approaches under discussion:
1、Prepare to release 2.7.7, in this version, we won't use HDP components
anymore, we'll replace it with the community version provided by Bigtop, and
update RPM and DEB build scripts provided by Bigtop, change the installation
path so hdp-select can be reused. (Due to component version changes, I don't
know if the code under /stacks needs to be updated)
2、Develop Bigtop mpack for Ambari 2.7.5, we don't need to change Ambari's
code (if the code under /stacks can be reused in the first way, maybe it also
works in this way?)
Isn't the workload of the first way heavier?
About the meeting
I thought maybe email discussion would be better?
The discussion can be open for a few days and all interested people in the
community can participate, not just a few of us.
And due to time zone and language issues, many people are hard to attending
the meetings, email discussions may be more suitable for these people.
What do you think?
Best Regards,
Zhiguo Wu
> On Jun 20, 2022, at 23:15, Battula, Brahma Reddy
<bbatt...@visa.com.INVALID> wrote:
>
>>> Assuming the understanding above is correct, my new concerns are:
>
> Yes, Hope we'll in same page now. Still we can discuss in weekly call.
>
>>> * Can we still call it as "HDP"? Doesn't it infringe Cloudera's
trademark?
>>> If so, should we give a new stack name to it, as you mentioned as
>>> planA in [3]?
>>> (or it makes upgrading HDP cluster difficult? I don't understand it so
much)
>
> Yes, it may be. Hence I introduced the planA and preferred it. one more
idea(bad) came in my mind that can we treat "HDP: Hadoop Data Platform", not
sure whether it should be ok or not(and we might not delivering as distro's).
>
>>> * It may be a bit tough work to fix Bigtop's build scripts so that its
>>> artifacts match Ambari's requirements.
>>> (package versioning, file layouts, included and not included files,
>>> file permissions, user/group creation, etc.)
>
> Only paths matter right everything else can be re-used from the
hdp-select.
>
>
> On 20/06/22, 8:13 PM, "Kengo Seki" <sek...@apache.org
<mailto:sek...@apache.org>> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the elaboration Brahma, but I'm a bit confused.
> At this point, my understanding is as follows. Are these correct?
>
> * In the 2.7.x line, we'll still use a stack definition based on HDP's
one [1].
>
> * But regarding RPM and DEB packages, we'll build them from source by
leveraging
> Bigtop's build scripts and publish them on the ASF distribution site
> or somewhere.
> repoinfo.xml [2] will also be fixed to point that repository.
>
> Assuming the understanding above is correct, my new concerns are:
>
> * Can we still call it as "HDP"? Doesn't it infringe Cloudera's trademark?
> If so, should we give a new stack name to it, as you mentioned as
> planA in [3]?
> (or it makes upgrading HDP cluster difficult? I don't understand it so
much)
>
> * It may be a bit tough work to fix Bigtop's build scripts so that its
> artifacts match Ambari's requirements.
> (package versioning, file layouts, included and not included files,
> file permissions, user/group creation, etc.)
> I'm not sure if it's faster than developing Mpack.
>
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> Kengo Seki <sek...@gmail.com <mailto:sek...@gmail.com>>
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 8:05 PM Battula, Brahma Reddy
> <bbatt...@visa.com.invalid <mailto:bbatt...@visa.com.invalid>> wrote:
>>
>> We'll not use the HDP Packages (Only selects we'll use from hdp, which
can be plugged in bigtop). Still we'll use opensource packages and bigtop to
create the RPM's and selects.
>> Just we can use the source tar balls opensource components(e.g
Hadoop-3.2.3 source tarballs from apache repo) and build rpm's and publish in
following repo. Or from the apache github repo's.
>>
>>
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>> Planning to have sync up call on this week, once it's finalize, we can
summarise here the approach. What do you think..?
>>
>>
>> On 20/06/22, 4:06 PM, "Kengo Seki" <sek...@apache.org
<mailto:sek...@apache.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the reply, Brahma!
>>
>>> We'll use following repo, how other components in Apache are hosted.
>>
>> Using that site for distribution has no problem. My concern is, do we
>> have the source tree for building HDP packages and does it still work
>> without the artifacts behind the paywall?
>> According to ASF's release policy [1], we must publish the
>> corresponding source releases whenever we publish binary artifacts,
>> such as RPM and DEB packages for HDP.
>>
>> [1]:
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>> Kengo Seki <sek...@apache.org <mailto:sek...@apache.org>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 6:19 PM Battula, Brahma Reddy
>> <bbatt...@visa.com.invalid <mailto:bbatt...@visa.com.invalid>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Kengo Seki,
>>>
>>> Thanks for pitching here.. We'll use following repo, how other
components in Apache are hosted. Any other suggestions..?
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> On 20/06/22, 2:32 PM, "Kengo Seki" <sek...@apache.org
<mailto:sek...@apache.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh, I've just noticed that I submitted an additional question into the
>>> wrong thread mistakenly.
>>>
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>>> originally intended as a reply to this thread. Sorry for the
>>> confusion.
>>>
>>> Kengo Seki <sek...@apache.org <mailto:sek...@apache.org>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 11:31 AM Kengo Seki <sek...@apache.org
<mailto:sek...@apache.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thank you so much for writing the draft and commenting on it, Brahma
and Viraj!
>>>> Firstly, a minor comment:
>>>>
>>>>> Trunk Code : Parallel we can work for the trunk code, this we might
give as 2.8.
>>>>> * Working on bigtop mpack
>>>>
>>>> This means adding a new built-in stack which uses the Bigtop
>>>> repository, and not developing Mpack on the Bigtop side, right?
>>>> If so, "bigtop mpack" sounds confusing a bit.
>>>>
>>>>> hdp-select can stay on branch-2.7 and it can be moved to bigtop for
trunk branch. Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Sounds good to me. During the 2.7.x releases, users can use the HDP
>>>> stack by default. In addition, they can also add the Bigtop stack
>>>> through the Mpack, as Zhiguo mentioned in [1].
>>>> Since 2.8 or 3.0, we will drop HDP and users can use the built-in
>>>> Bigtop stack by default. It also allows us to drop the Mpack on the
>>>> Bigtop side.
>>>>
>>>> Regarding the built-in Bigtop stack developed on trunk, the current
>>>> BIGTOP stack in Ambari [2] may be a good start point to be upgraded.
>>>> I ensured that Ambari 2.7.6 was successfully built with the
>>>> `-Dstack.distribution=BIGTOP` option, though Bigtop 0.8 is too old to
>>>> use for now.
>>>>
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>>>> Kengo Seki <sek...@apache.org <mailto:sek...@apache.org>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 9:26 AM Viraj Jasani <vjas...@apache.org
<mailto:vjas...@apache.org>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the nice draft, Brahma!
>>>>>
>>>>> IMHO, as we narrow down to 2.7.7 release, it might be still worth
sticking
>>>>> to HDP i.e. plugin the new stack for HDP for 2.7 release line. For
2.8.0
>>>>> (or 3.0.0), we can add entire new stack (BDP sounds good one) and
start off
>>>>> with 2.8.0/3.0.0 stack version.
>>>>>
>>>>> hdp-select can stay on branch-2.7 and it can be moved to bigtop for
trunk
>>>>> branch. Thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> Similarly, we can start-off with "python 3 only" support in trunk,
whereas
>>>>> 2.7 release line can continue with python 2 to reduce complexities for
>>>>> maintenance releases on 2.7.
>>>>>
>>>>> All other points look good. Once again, thank you for drafting the
roadmap
>>>>> and starting with this thread.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 10:07 AM Battula, Brahma Reddy
>>>>> <bbatt...@visa.com.invalid <mailto:bbatt...@visa.com.invalid>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As Ambari back now, let’s start discussing roadmap. I will be closely
>>>>>> tracking for Jira, GitHub(with Jenkins) and wiki to work normal.
>>>>>> Based on the conclusion of this thread will update wiki[1].
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As 2.7.6 is released recently, we need to release 2.7.7
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Stack Management. There are two approaches for this. Open to
discuss
>>>>>> on following..
>>>>>> * Entirely new stack
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i.
>>>>>> Define new stack name. (BDP: BigDataPlatform, BDS:BigDataStack,
>>>>>> OSS:OpenSourceStack,TDP: TuskerDataPlatform…)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ii.
>>>>>> Define stack versions
>>>>>> (zk-3.5.9,Hadoop-3.2.3,hive-3.1.3,tez-0.10.1,spark-3.2..)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> iii. Based
>>>>>> above two we need to have select in bigtop code.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Using the existing for current release.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i.
>>>>>> Plugin the new stack into HDP self
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ii.
>>>>>> Still, we can have hdp select
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I prefer the planA but planB takes less time. Users can easily adopt
it
>>>>>> upgrade their stack.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note: Ideally bigtop mpack can be long term approach as stack id
decoupled
>>>>>> now, but currently it’s not ready for latest stack (upgrades can be
risk).
>>>>>> We’ll work in trunk for same. If this works shortly, we can choose.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Upgrade :
>>>>>> * Most of users will be deployed with HDP
>>>>>> versions(HDP-2.6.5,HDP-3.1.0), we might need to support the upgrade
to 2.7.7
>>>>>> 2. Other work
>>>>>> * Any critical/blocker CVE’s Fixes
>>>>>> * CVEs Fixes : we’ll try to target some CVE fixes
>>>>>> * Review the open PR’s and Jira’s
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trunk Code : Parallel we can work for the trunk code, this we might
give
>>>>>> as 2.8.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Removal of python2 support
>>>>>> * Removal of hard dependency on HDP
>>>>>> * Working on bigtop mpack
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>>>>>> Can add more based on your inputs…
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>>>>>> Any thoughts on this..? Please feel free to add anything which I
missed.
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>>>>>> Reference:
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>>>>>> 1.
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