Hi All,

I raised for jira for 2.7.7 roadmap[1].  Please feel to add any other features 
which we need to consider. Will raise another jira for trunk roadmap also based 
on following mail.


Please let me know your thoughts on this.


1. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AMBARI-25702



On 23/06/22, 11:57 AM, "Battula, Brahma Reddy" <bbatt...@visa.com.INVALID> 
wrote:


    IMO, First way is not heavier when we consider all the efforts for mpack 
with upgrades. And first one is easiest to adopt now.

    We'll start discussing the bigtop mailing list further.


    On 21/06/22, 1:11 PM, "吴治国" <wzg547228...@163.com> wrote:

        Thanks for the details, Brahma and Kengo.

        If I understand it correctly, there are two approaches under discussion:

        1、Prepare to release 2.7.7, in this version, we won't use HDP 
components anymore, we'll replace it with the community version provided by 
Bigtop, and update RPM and DEB build scripts provided by Bigtop, change the 
installation path so hdp-select can be reused. (Due to component version 
changes, I don't know if the code under /stacks needs to be updated)
        2、Develop Bigtop mpack for Ambari 2.7.5, we don't need to change 
Ambari's code (if the code under /stacks can be reused in the first way, maybe 
it also works in this way?)

        Isn't the workload of the first way heavier?


        About the meeting

        I thought maybe email discussion would be better?
        The discussion can be open for a few days and all interested people in 
the community can participate, not just a few of us.
        And due to time zone and language issues, many people are hard to 
attending the meetings, email discussions may be more suitable for these people.

        What do you think?

        Best Regards,
        Zhiguo Wu

        > On Jun 20, 2022, at 23:15, Battula, Brahma Reddy 
<bbatt...@visa.com.INVALID> wrote:
        > 
        >>> Assuming the understanding above is correct, my new concerns are:
        > 
        > Yes, Hope we'll in same page now. Still we can discuss in weekly call.
        > 
        >>> * Can we still call it as "HDP"? Doesn't it infringe Cloudera's 
trademark?
        >>> If so, should we give a new stack name to it, as you mentioned as
        >>> planA in [3]?
        >>> (or it makes upgrading HDP cluster difficult? I don't understand it 
so much)
        > 
        > Yes, it may be. Hence I introduced the planA and preferred it. one 
more idea(bad) came in my mind that can we treat "HDP: Hadoop Data Platform", 
not sure whether it should be ok or not(and we might not delivering as 
distro's).
        > 
        >>> * It may be a bit tough work to fix Bigtop's build scripts so that 
its
        >>> artifacts match Ambari's requirements.
        >>> (package versioning, file layouts, included and not included files,
        >>> file permissions, user/group creation, etc.)
        > 
        > Only paths matter right everything else can be re-used from the 
hdp-select.
        > 
        > 
        > On 20/06/22, 8:13 PM, "Kengo Seki" <sek...@apache.org 
<mailto:sek...@apache.org>> wrote:
        > 
        > Thanks for the elaboration Brahma, but I'm a bit confused.
        > At this point, my understanding is as follows. Are these correct?
        > 
        > * In the 2.7.x line, we'll still use a stack definition based on 
HDP's one [1].
        > 
        > * But regarding RPM and DEB packages, we'll build them from source by 
leveraging
        > Bigtop's build scripts and publish them on the ASF distribution site
        > or somewhere.
        > repoinfo.xml [2] will also be fixed to point that repository.
        > 
        > Assuming the understanding above is correct, my new concerns are:
        > 
        > * Can we still call it as "HDP"? Doesn't it infringe Cloudera's 
trademark?
        > If so, should we give a new stack name to it, as you mentioned as
        > planA in [3]?
        > (or it makes upgrading HDP cluster difficult? I don't understand it 
so much)
        > 
        > * It may be a bit tough work to fix Bigtop's build scripts so that its
        > artifacts match Ambari's requirements.
        > (package versioning, file layouts, included and not included files,
        > file permissions, user/group creation, etc.)
        > I'm not sure if it's faster than developing Mpack.
        > 
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        > Kengo Seki <sek...@gmail.com <mailto:sek...@gmail.com>>
        > 
        > On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 8:05 PM Battula, Brahma Reddy
        > <bbatt...@visa.com.invalid <mailto:bbatt...@visa.com.invalid>> wrote:
        >> 
        >> We'll not use the HDP Packages (Only selects we'll use from hdp, 
which can be plugged in bigtop). Still we'll use opensource packages and bigtop 
to create the RPM's and selects.
        >> Just we can use the source tar balls opensource components(e.g 
Hadoop-3.2.3 source tarballs from apache repo) and build rpm's and publish in 
following repo. Or from the apache github repo's.
        >> 
        >> 
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        >> 
        >> Planning to have sync up call on this week, once it's finalize, we 
can summarise here the approach. What do you think..?
        >> 
        >> 
        >> On 20/06/22, 4:06 PM, "Kengo Seki" <sek...@apache.org 
<mailto:sek...@apache.org>> wrote:
        >> 
        >> Thanks for the reply, Brahma!
        >> 
        >>> We'll use following repo, how other components in Apache are hosted.
        >> 
        >> Using that site for distribution has no problem. My concern is, do we
        >> have the source tree for building HDP packages and does it still work
        >> without the artifacts behind the paywall?
        >> According to ASF's release policy [1], we must publish the
        >> corresponding source releases whenever we publish binary artifacts,
        >> such as RPM and DEB packages for HDP.
        >> 
        >> [1]: 
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        >> Kengo Seki <sek...@apache.org <mailto:sek...@apache.org>>
        >> 
        >> On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 6:19 PM Battula, Brahma Reddy
        >> <bbatt...@visa.com.invalid <mailto:bbatt...@visa.com.invalid>> wrote:
        >>> 
        >>> Hi Kengo Seki,
        >>> 
        >>> Thanks for pitching here.. We'll use following repo, how other 
components in Apache are hosted. Any other suggestions..?
        >>> 
        >>> 
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        >>> 
        >>> 
        >>> 
        >>> On 20/06/22, 2:32 PM, "Kengo Seki" <sek...@apache.org 
<mailto:sek...@apache.org>> wrote:
        >>> 
        >>> Oh, I've just noticed that I submitted an additional question into 
the
        >>> wrong thread mistakenly.
        >>> 
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        >>> originally intended as a reply to this thread. Sorry for the
        >>> confusion.
        >>> 
        >>> Kengo Seki <sek...@apache.org <mailto:sek...@apache.org>>
        >>> 
        >>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 11:31 AM Kengo Seki <sek...@apache.org 
<mailto:sek...@apache.org>> wrote:
        >>>> 
        >>>> Thank you so much for writing the draft and commenting on it, 
Brahma and Viraj!
        >>>> Firstly, a minor comment:
        >>>> 
        >>>>> Trunk Code : Parallel we can work for the trunk code, this we 
might give as 2.8.
        >>>>> * Working on bigtop mpack
        >>>> 
        >>>> This means adding a new built-in stack which uses the Bigtop
        >>>> repository, and not developing Mpack on the Bigtop side, right?
        >>>> If so, "bigtop mpack" sounds confusing a bit.
        >>>> 
        >>>>> hdp-select can stay on branch-2.7 and it can be moved to bigtop 
for trunk branch. Thoughts?
        >>>> 
        >>>> Sounds good to me. During the 2.7.x releases, users can use the HDP
        >>>> stack by default. In addition, they can also add the Bigtop stack
        >>>> through the Mpack, as Zhiguo mentioned in [1].
        >>>> Since 2.8 or 3.0, we will drop HDP and users can use the built-in
        >>>> Bigtop stack by default. It also allows us to drop the Mpack on the
        >>>> Bigtop side.
        >>>> 
        >>>> Regarding the built-in Bigtop stack developed on trunk, the current
        >>>> BIGTOP stack in Ambari [2] may be a good start point to be 
upgraded.
        >>>> I ensured that Ambari 2.7.6 was successfully built with the
        >>>> `-Dstack.distribution=BIGTOP` option, though Bigtop 0.8 is too old 
to
        >>>> use for now.
        >>>> 
        >>>> [1]: 
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        >>>> 
        >>>> Kengo Seki <sek...@apache.org <mailto:sek...@apache.org>>
        >>>> 
        >>>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 9:26 AM Viraj Jasani <vjas...@apache.org 
<mailto:vjas...@apache.org>> wrote:
        >>>>> 
        >>>>> Thanks for the nice draft, Brahma!
        >>>>> 
        >>>>> IMHO, as we narrow down to 2.7.7 release, it might be still worth 
sticking
        >>>>> to HDP i.e. plugin the new stack for HDP for 2.7 release line. 
For 2.8.0
        >>>>> (or 3.0.0), we can add entire new stack (BDP sounds good one) and 
start off
        >>>>> with 2.8.0/3.0.0 stack version.
        >>>>> 
        >>>>> hdp-select can stay on branch-2.7 and it can be moved to bigtop 
for trunk
        >>>>> branch. Thoughts?
        >>>>> 
        >>>>> Similarly, we can start-off with "python 3 only" support in 
trunk, whereas
        >>>>> 2.7 release line can continue with python 2 to reduce 
complexities for
        >>>>> maintenance releases on 2.7.
        >>>>> 
        >>>>> All other points look good. Once again, thank you for drafting 
the roadmap
        >>>>> and starting with this thread.
        >>>>> 
        >>>>> 
        >>>>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 10:07 AM Battula, Brahma Reddy
        >>>>> <bbatt...@visa.com.invalid <mailto:bbatt...@visa.com.invalid>> 
wrote:
        >>>>> 
        >>>>>> Hi All,
        >>>>>> 
        >>>>>> As Ambari back now, let’s start discussing roadmap. I will be 
closely
        >>>>>> tracking for Jira, GitHub(with Jenkins) and wiki to work normal.
        >>>>>> Based on the conclusion of this thread will update wiki[1].
        >>>>>> 
        >>>>>> As 2.7.6 is released recently, we need to release 2.7.7
        >>>>>> 
        >>>>>> 
        >>>>>> 1. Stack Management. There are two approaches for this. Open to 
discuss
        >>>>>> on following..
        >>>>>> * Entirely new stack
        >>>>>> 
        >>>>>> i.
        >>>>>> Define new stack name. (BDP: BigDataPlatform, BDS:BigDataStack,
        >>>>>> OSS:OpenSourceStack,TDP: TuskerDataPlatform…)
        >>>>>> 
        >>>>>> ii.
        >>>>>> Define stack versions
        >>>>>> (zk-3.5.9,Hadoop-3.2.3,hive-3.1.3,tez-0.10.1,spark-3.2..)
        >>>>>> 
        >>>>>> iii. Based
        >>>>>> above two we need to have select in bigtop code.
        >>>>>> 
        >>>>>> * Using the existing for current release.
        >>>>>> 
        >>>>>> i.
        >>>>>> Plugin the new stack into HDP self
        >>>>>> 
        >>>>>> ii.
        >>>>>> Still, we can have hdp select
        >>>>>> 
        >>>>>> 
        >>>>>> 
        >>>>>> I prefer the planA but planB takes less time. Users can easily 
adopt it
        >>>>>> upgrade their stack.
        >>>>>> 
        >>>>>> 
        >>>>>> 
        >>>>>> Note: Ideally bigtop mpack can be long term approach as stack id 
decoupled
        >>>>>> now, but currently it’s not ready for latest stack (upgrades can 
be risk).
        >>>>>> We’ll work in trunk for same. If this works shortly, we can 
choose.
        >>>>>> 
        >>>>>> 
        >>>>>> 
        >>>>>> 1. Upgrade :
        >>>>>> * Most of users will be deployed with HDP
        >>>>>> versions(HDP-2.6.5,HDP-3.1.0), we might need to support the 
upgrade to 2.7.7
        >>>>>> 2. Other work
        >>>>>> * Any critical/blocker CVE’s Fixes
        >>>>>> * CVEs Fixes : we’ll try to target some CVE fixes
        >>>>>> * Review the open PR’s and Jira’s
        >>>>>> 
        >>>>>> 
        >>>>>> 
        >>>>>> Trunk Code : Parallel we can work for the trunk code, this we 
might give
        >>>>>> as 2.8.
        >>>>>> 
        >>>>>> * Removal of python2 support
        >>>>>> * Removal of hard dependency on HDP
        >>>>>> * Working on bigtop mpack
        >>>>>> 
        >>>>>> Can add more based on your inputs…
        >>>>>> 
        >>>>>> 
        >>>>>> Any thoughts on this..? Please feel free to add anything which I 
missed.
        >>>>>> 
        >>>>>> 
        >>>>>> 
        >>>>>> Reference:
        >>>>>> 
        >>>>>> 1.
        >>>>>> 
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