+1

On 2022/09/21 11:12, 吴治国 wrote:
I think we have enough to go on with Kengo’s proposal,
Currently we don’t have enough developers(and I’m not willing to) to maintain a 
stack on our own like BDP.

Sure, here's my proposal:

* Stack name: "BIGTOP"

   - The same name as the existing one [1]
   - Because it deploys the packages generated by Bigtop
   - The existing stack should be replaced with it, because that is
based on Bigtop 0.8 and too old to use now
   - No concern about infringing others' trademark

* Component/folder name: "bigtop-select"

   - Consistent naming convention with the existing tools such as
"bigtop-groovy", "bigtop-jsvc", "bigtop-utils" [2]
   - If it sounds too simple and a bit unclear, a more descriptive name
might be an option, for example "bigtop-ambari-stack-selector"

* Script name: "bigtop-select"

   - Consistent with the stack name
   - No concern about infringing others' trademark

[1]: 
https://github.com/apache/ambari/tree/release-2.7.6/ambari-server/src/main/resources/stacks/BIGTOP/0.8
[2]: https://github.com/apache/bigtop/tree/master/bigtop-packages/src/common 
<https://github.com/apache/bigtop/tree/master/bigtop-packages/src/common>

Best Regards,
Zhiguo Wu

On Sep 16, 2022, at 08:44, Masatake Iwasaki <iwasak...@oss.nttdata.com> wrote:


May be we can name it as bdp-select. Or (bgp-select)
-1 as we already discussed.
Thanks for your feedback, I would definitely honour it. As you are not open for 
discussion and asked us raise the PR hence you thought of discussing on the PR. 
What will be your final suggestion on this..?

I'm -1 on the name like bdp-select or bgp-select as we discussed.
Feel free to open PR with appropriate module name.

On 2022/09/05 16:30, Battula, Brahma Reddy wrote:
Hi @Masatake Iwasaki,
    -1 as we already discussed.
Thanks for your feedback, I would definitely honour it. As you are not open for 
discussion and asked us raise the PR hence you thought of discussing on the PR. 
What will be your final suggestion on this..?
@Roman Shaposhnik
I just gone through the following jira[1] where you brought ambari to bigtop. 
Looks stack-select is not included, how it was maintained.?
I thinking we should have one stack which can support for upgrading the 
existing the HDP deployed clusters. Even I can see somebody asking on bigtop[2].
If bigtop is not right place, shall we include in ambari..?  Please let me know 
your thoughts on this. This blocks the 2.7.7 release.
Note :  There is on-going ambari mpack which might take some more time. Even 
upgrades will take some time.
1. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/BIGTOP-709
2. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/BIGTOP-3651
Regards,
Brahma Reddy Battula
On 01/09/22, 6:39 AM, "Masatake Iwasaki" <iwasak...@oss.nttdata.com> wrote:
     >  May be we can name it as bdp-select. Or (bgp-select)
     -1 as we already discussed.
     On 2022/09/01 4:43, Battula, Brahma Reddy wrote:
     > Ok, thanks Viraj.
     >
     > Hopefully you can place here like all other how it's maintained. Let me 
know any help required on this. May be we can name it as bdp-select. Or 
(bgp-select)
     > 
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     >
     >
     > On 30/08/22, 5:26 AM, "Viraj Jasani" <vjas...@apache.org> wrote:
     >
     >      Masatake, Brahma,
     >
     >      Hopefully I should be able to create Jira and PR in Bigtop. Will 
let you
     >      know once ready for review. Thanks
     >
     >
     >      On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 9:22 AM Masatake Iwasaki 
<iwasak...@oss.nttdata.com>
     >      wrote:
     >
     >      > Please file a JIRA and submit a pull request if you want to show 
the code
     >      > and get feedback.
     >      > There is nothing I want to discuss off the record.
     >      >
     >      > On 2022/08/23 18:48, Battula, Brahma Reddy wrote:
     >      > > @Masatake Iwasaki ,@Viraj Jasani , @Kengo Seki and others, can 
we get
     >      > the final conclusion on this..?
     >      > >
     >      > > Please let me know your availability, Can have one call to 
discuss on
     >      > this..
     >      > >
     >      > >
     >      > > On 24/07/22, 1:31 AM, "Battula, Brahma Reddy" 
<bbatt...@visa.com.INVALID>
     >      > wrote:
     >      > >
     >      > >      >  -1 on development in branch.
     >      > >       >   It is not worth for maintaining the branch if the 
modules is
     >      > so small
     >      > >        >  and barely updated as explained here.
     >      > >        >  It should not conflict to existing code.
     >      > >         >  I feel I must check the code before check-in based 
on this
     >      > thread.
     >      > >
     >      > >
     >      > >      Sure, Viraj or me can show the code to you.
     >      > >
     >      > >      Can we've call on this Friday/Thrusday if that works..?
     >      > >
     >      > >
     >      > >      On 11/07/22, 11:54 AM, "Masatake Iwasaki" <
     >      > iwasak...@oss.nttdata.com> wrote:
     >      > >
     >      > >          > Sure, we can havemodule name like  
bigtop-distro-select.
     >      > >          > Initially we'll do this separate branch.
     >      > >
     >      > >          -1 on development in branch.
     >      > >          It is not worth for maintaining the branch if the 
modules is so
     >      > small
     >      > >          and barely updated as explained here.
     >      > >          It should not conflict to existing code.
     >      > >          I feel I must check the code before check-in based on 
this
     >      > thread.
     >      > >
     >      > >          Masatake Iwasaki
     >      > >
     >      > >          On 2022/07/11 8:23, Kengo Seki wrote:
     >      > >          >> As there are different opinions on this and took 
long time,
     >      > just to brainstorm all the possibilities and pitfalls.
     >      > >          >
     >      > >          > Oh, I interpreted your words "conclude" and 
"finalize" as you
     >      > were
     >      > >          > going to make a final decision. Brainstorming is 
welcome, of
     >      > course.
     >      > >          > (But I'm not so sure if all people concerned could 
join, due
     >      > to time
     >      > >          > difference and their schedule, etc.)
     >      > >          >
     >      > >          >> Can you suggest, how the changes will be also.. 
like folder,
     >      > where you suggest to keep this...?
     >      > >          >
     >      > >          > Sure, here's my proposal:
     >      > >          >
     >      > >          > * Stack name: "BIGTOP"
     >      > >          >
     >      > >          >    - The same name as the existing one [1]
     >      > >          >    - Because it deploys the packages generated by 
Bigtop
     >      > >          >    - The existing stack should be replaced with it, 
because
     >      > that is
     >      > >          > based on Bigtop 0.8 and too old to use now
     >      > >          >    - No concern about infringing others' trademark
     >      > >          >
     >      > >          > * Component/folder name: "bigtop-select"
     >      > >          >
     >      > >          >    - Consistent naming convention with the existing 
tools
     >      > such as
     >      > >          > "bigtop-groovy", "bigtop-jsvc", "bigtop-utils" [2]
     >      > >          >    - If it sounds too simple and a bit unclear, a 
more
     >      > descriptive name
     >      > >          > might be an option, for example 
"bigtop-ambari-stack-selector"
     >      > >          >
     >      > >          > * Script name: "bigtop-select"
     >      > >          >
     >      > >          >    - Consistent with the stack name
     >      > >          >    - No concern about infringing others' trademark
     >      > >          >
     >      > >          > [1]:
     >      > 
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     >      > >          > [2]:
     >      > 
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     >      > >          >
     >      > >          > Kengo Seki <sek...@apache.org>
     >      > >          >
     >      > >          > On Mon, Jul 11, 2022 at 3:19 AM Battula, Brahma Reddy
     >      > >          > <bbatt...@visa.com.invalid> wrote:
     >      > >          >>
     >      > >          >>>   Technical decisions shouldn't be done on other 
places
     >      > than public mailing lists,
     >      > >          >>>   as described in the "Open Communications" 
section of [1]
     >      > and [2].
     >      > >          >>   > So we should conclude the discussion in this 
mailing
     >      > list.
     >      > >          >>   > (And with my poor English, I'm not so confident 
to catch
     >      > up with your
     >      > >          >>    > fluent talk ;)
     >      > >          >>
     >      > >          >> I believe , I knew the apache way which you 
mentioned. We
     >      > are not going conclude anything which comes to bigtop other than 
this
     >      > mailing list.
     >      > >          >> As there are different opinions on this and took 
long time,
     >      > just to brainstorm all the possibilities and pitfalls. Hence  
asking let's
     >      > have  call so that we can brainstorm. Even after call, everything 
will be
     >      > published what we discussed.
     >      > >          >>
     >      > >          >> I think, whiteboarding will help to catch up with 
you.
     >      > >          >>
     >      > >          >> You all the think "bigtop-select" will be best 
option
     >      > right..? Can you suggest, how the changes will be also.. like 
folder, where
     >      > you suggest to keep this...?
     >      > >          >>
     >      > >          >> And if the name represents the stack which we are 
going to
     >      > deploy should fine I feel.. (if it's not BDP, may be
     >      > OBDP:OpensourceBigDataPlatform.)
     >      > >          >>
     >      > >          >> @Viraj Jasani and others any thoughts..?
     >      > >          >>
     >      > >          >>
     >      > >          >> On 10/07/22, 11:03 AM, "Kengo Seki" 
<sek...@apache.org>
     >      > wrote:
     >      > >          >>
     >      > >          >>      > Looks we had so much discussed here, Let's 
try to
     >      > conclude. Can we've one call on this and finalize this..?
     >      > >          >>
     >      > >          >>      Technical decisions shouldn't be done on other 
places
     >      > than public mailing lists,
     >      > >          >>      as described in the "Open Communications" 
section of
     >      > [1] and [2].
     >      > >          >>      So we should conclude the discussion in this 
mailing
     >      > list.
     >      > >          >>      (And with my poor English, I'm not so 
confident to
     >      > catch up with your
     >      > >          >>      fluent talk ;)
     >      > >          >>
     >      > >          >>      > FYI. Even looks bigtop used some where also..
     >      > >          >>
     >      > >          >>      Bigtop is ASF's trademark as you can see in the 
"Apache
     >      > Bigtop®
     >      > >          >>      software" section of [3].
     >      > >          >>      So it doesn't have the risk of trademark 
infringement.
     >      > >          >>
     >      > >          >>      [1]:
     >      > 
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     >      > >          >>      [2]:
     >      > 
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     >      > >          >>      [3]:
     >      > 
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     >      > >          >>
     >      > >          >>      Kengo Seki <sek...@apache.org>
     >      > >          >>
     >      > >          >>      On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 4:11 AM Battula, 
Brahma Reddy
     >      > >          >>      <bbatt...@visa.com.invalid> wrote:
     >      > >          >>      >
     >      > >          >>      > Looks we had so much discussed here, Let's 
try to
     >      > conclude. Can we've one call on this and finalize this..?
     >      > >          >>      >
     >      > >          >>      > FYI. Even looks bigtop used some where[1] 
also..
     >      > >          >>      > 1.
     >      > 
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     >      > >          >>      >
     >      > >          >>      >
     >      > >          >>      > On 08/07/22, 8:06 PM, "Kengo Seki" 
<sek...@apache.org>
     >      > wrote:
     >      > >          >>      >
     >      > >          >>      >     Thank you for your explanation, Brahma.
     >      > >          >>      >     CRH (abbreviation of "CHINA REDOOP 
HYPERLOOP"
     >      > [1]) is supposed to be a
     >      > >          >>      >     trademark of Redoop, so they can name 
the script
     >      > crh-select without
     >      > >          >>      >     problem.
     >      > >          >>      >     But regarding BDP for example, I can 
easily find
     >      > products that have
     >      > >          >>      >     the same name [2][3][4] as you already 
mentioned,
     >      > so I'd like to
     >      > >          >>      >     recommend bigtop-select for avoiding 
unnecessary
     >      > trouble.
     >      > >          >>      >     Or, a single and more general word just 
like
     >      > conf-select may be less
     >      > >          >>      >     troublesome than bdp. How about 
"stack-select",
     >      > for example?
     >      > >          >>      >
     >      > >          >>      >     [1]:
     >      > 
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     >      > 
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     >      > 
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     >      > 
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     >      > >          >>      >
     >      > >          >>      >     Kengo Seki <sek...@apache.org>
     >      > >          >>      >
     >      > >          >>      >     On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 2:51 AM Battula, 
Brahma
     >      > Reddy <bbatt...@visa.com> wrote:
     >      > >          >>      >     >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >Do you mean that you're going to 
name the
     >      > module (same as "component"
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >in the Bigtop terminology, I 
think)
     >      > bigtop-distro-select,
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >and still the script in question
     >      > bdp-select? If so, is there any
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >reason that the script must be 
that name?
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >(No offence, I just want to 
understand
     >      > your thoughts and its
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >background, and avoid the 
conflict or
     >      > user's confusion with existing
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >trademarks or products)
     >      > >          >>      >     >
     >      > >          >>      >     > Thanks @Kengo Seki for consolidating 
all the
     >      > concerns. Name should represent the stack which includes all the 
components
     >      > hence planning to have like bdp,bds...and this only one file like 
below[1]
     >      > which has done redoop.
     >      > >          >>      >     >
     >      > >          >>      >     >
     >      > >          >>      >     >
     >      > 
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     >      > >          >>      >     >
     >      > >          >>      >     >
     >      > >          >>      >     > On 07/07/22, 6:07 AM, "Kengo Seki" <
     >      > sek...@apache.org> wrote:
     >      > >          >>      >     >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     The following concern Masatake 
mentioned
     >      > before is an important point,
     >      > >          >>      >     >     so I talked to Brahma for 
clarifying his
     >      > intention on the ASF Slack
     >      > >          >>      >     >     yesterday.
     >      > >          >>      >     >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     > Multiple versions of the same 
package
     >      > (deb/rpm) can not be installed at the same time.
     >      > >          >>      >     >     > IIRC, HDP uses convention in 
which the
     >      > product version is part of package name
     >      > >          >>      >     >     > for addressing this.
     >      > >          >>      >     >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     > I don't like to bring the 
awkward package
     >      > name convention to Bigtop
     >      > >          >>      >     >     > at least by default.
     >      > >          >>      >     >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     He's planning to adopt the same 
mitigation
     >      > as HDP for now, but he
     >      > >          >>      >     >     doesn't intend to change the 
default
     >      > package naming convention of
     >      > >          >>      >     >     Bigtop,
     >      > >          >>      >     >     but just add a new functionality 
to include
     >      > an extra part into the
     >      > >          >>      >     >     package name for avoiding 
conflict, which
     >      > is disabled by default.
     >      > >          >>      >     >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     And Brahma, let me confirm about 
the
     >      > following reply:
     >      > >          >>      >     >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     > Sure, we can have module name 
like
     >      > bigtop-distro-select.
     >      > >          >>      >     >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     Do you mean that you're going to 
name the
     >      > module (same as "component"
     >      > >          >>      >     >     in the Bigtop terminology, I think)
     >      > bigtop-distro-select,
     >      > >          >>      >     >     and still the script in question
     >      > bdp-select? If so, is there any
     >      > >          >>      >     >     reason that the script must be 
that name?
     >      > >          >>      >     >     (No offence, I just want to 
understand your
     >      > thoughts and its
     >      > >          >>      >     >     background, and avoid the conflict 
or
     >      > user's confusion with existing
     >      > >          >>      >     >     trademarks or products)
     >      > >          >>      >     >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     Kengo Seki <sek...@apache.org>
     >      > >          >>      >     >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     On Thu, Jul 7, 2022 at 2:08 AM 
Battula,
     >      > Brahma Reddy
     >      > >          >>      >     >     <bbatt...@visa.com.invalid> wrote:
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     > >   The name of stack based no 
Bigtop
     >      > should be Bigtop.
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >   >   If you can not accept the 
name like
     >      > bigtop-*, the work should done outside of Bigtop.
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >   >  I will cast -1 if someone 
submit a
     >      > patch to add a module with the name spoiling branding.
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     > Sure, we can have module name 
like
     >      > bigtop-distro-select.
     >      > >          >>      >     >     > Initially we'll do this separate 
branch.
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     > On 06/07/22, 8:55 AM, "Masatake 
Iwasaki" <
     >      > iwasak...@oss.nttdata.co.jp> wrote:
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     > I believe it's for project 
name.
     >      > isn't it.?
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     projects and products.
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     > IMO, We need to create 
folders and
     >      > refer stacknames so ambari-select,bigtop-select wn't looks good.
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     The name of stack based no 
Bigtop
     >      > should be Bigtop.
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     If you can not accept the 
name like
     >      > bigtop-*, the work should done outside of Bigtop.
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     I will cast -1 if someone 
submit a
     >      > patch to add a module with the name spoiling branding.
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     On 2022/07/06 11:44, 
Battula, Brahma
     >      > Reddy wrote:
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     > I believe it's for project 
name.
     >      > isn't it.?
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     > On 06/07/22, 7:27 AM, 
"Masatake
     >      > Iwasaki" <iwasak...@oss.nttdata.co.jp> wrote:
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      > But As we are not 
releasing
     >      > as enterprise should be fine I think. IMO, We need to create 
folders and
     >      > refer stacknames so ambari-select,bigtop-select wn't looks good.
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      Not fine.
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      We have a trademark 
policy.
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >
     >      > 
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     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      On 2022/07/06 10:37, 
Battula,
     >      > Brahma Reddy wrote:
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >> Should we avoid
     >      > unrecognized brand which may be trademark of someone?
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >> ambari-select or
     >      > bigtop-select should be enough.
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      > Not sure, where to 
confirm
     >      > whether there is already trademark. When I googled found so many.
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      > But As we are not 
releasing
     >      > as enterprise should be fine I think. IMO, We need to create 
folders and
     >      > refer stacknames so ambari-select,bigtop-select wn't looks good.
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      > May be you can 
refer the
     >      > initial proposal [2] where I mentioned some more names.
     >      > (BDS-BigDataStack,OSS-OpenSourceSelect..)
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      > Finally thanks a 
bunch for
     >      > long healthy discussions on this. Mostly we all same page now.
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      > 1.
     >      > 
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     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      > 2.
     >      > 
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     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      > On 06/07/22, 4:01 
AM,
     >      > "Masatake Iwasaki" <iwasak...@oss.nttdata.co.jp> wrote:
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >      > We have 
still not
     >      > officially finalized the new replacement name for
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >      > hdp-select, 
it would
     >      > likely be bdp-select (bdp: BigData Platform). However,
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >      > the purpose 
of
     >      > bdp-select and conf-select remains the same.
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >      Should we avoid
     >      > unrecognized brand which may be trademark of someone?
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >      ambari-select 
or
     >      > bigtop-select should be enough.
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >      On 2022/06/29 
13:52,
     >      > Viraj Jasani wrote:
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >      > Hi 
Ambari/Bigtop dev,
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >      >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >      > As per the 
new
     >      > roadmap of Apache Ambari, we would like to propose moving
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >      > certain 
scripts
     >      > (previously known as hdp-select and conf-select) to Bigtop
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >      > so that 
their rpm
     >      > installation could be managed independently.
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >      > These 
scripts are a
     >      > basic necessity in the Ambari framework for the
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >      > installation 
of
     >      > various Bigdata packages. The only major changes they would
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >      > receive is 
when we
     >      > onboard new services and components to Ambari, else they
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >      > usually do 
not
     >      > receive updates. In the past, we used to get hdp-select rpm
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >      > downloaded 
and
     >      > installed from HDP repositories.
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >      >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >      > We have 
still not
     >      > officially finalized the new replacement name for
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >      > hdp-select, 
it would
     >      > likely be bdp-select (bdp: BigData Platform). However,
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >      > the purpose 
of
     >      > bdp-select and conf-select remains the same.
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >      >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >      >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >     >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >
     >      > >          >>      >     >     >
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