This e-mail thread is to bring to the community the Apache board concerns and questions and in particular whether or not the activity on the project may pick up in the future. Based on the responses received so far, it is not. This should go into the next report to the Apache board and all PMCs (especially those who does not want to move Apex to attic) should prepare to answer more concerns from the board.
Thank you, Vlad > On Jan 8, 2019, at 11:07, Pramod Immaneni <pramod.imman...@gmail.com> wrote: > > The subject of the thread seems to indicate you are asking who supports > moving to Attic. As I mentioned, PMCs are not in agreement on doing this. > Mentors who are part of PMC and have broader experience dealing with other > apache projects as well, have advised that the project can continue as long > as there are three PMCs to provide oversight and there are definitely 3 or > more. The board's question was also the same, are there 3 PMC members to > provide oversight at this point and the answer is yes there are. > > If you, Thomas or other members cannot participate, that is ok and you can > remain inactive rather than forcing the issue to move to Attic, when > there is no consensus. Thomas has done a good job over the years preparing > the reports for board and participating in community governance discussions > but if he wishes to not continue to do that, I am sure others can take up > that responsibility. > > Thanks > > On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 8:01 AM Vlad Rozov <vro...@apache.org> wrote: > >> I double what Thomas wrote. The e-mail thread is not to see who wants Apex >> to be moved or not to be moved to attic. It is to see who plans to >> contribute back to the community. Without active community Apex will be >> moved to attic either by PMCs or (forcibly) by the Apache board and the >> board already raised that question for PMCs. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Vlad >> >>> On Jan 8, 2019, at 07:09, Thomas Weise <t...@apache.org> wrote: >>> >>> A shame it would be and sad for those of us who have put a lot of effort >>> into the project. But not surprising to have reached this point at all. >> We >>> should face reality or not? >>> >>> The crux of the matter is that Apache projects are community first and >> not >>> a parking lot for code bases. >>> >>> Apex code base was great few years ago and there was nothing like it but >>> then also nobody knew because it wasn't open source. Data processing is a >>> super fast moving space. Apex code base stalled and advantages Apex once >>> had are all but gone. Now it has fallen quite far behind other options >> out >>> there, including Apache projects with vibrant communities that include >>> enthusiastic contributors and users committed to return something for >> what >>> they take. >>> >>> Users of Apex are all but invisible. It is irrelevant if someone has a >> fork >>> in the backyard. What matters is activity that everyone can follow and >> the >>> give and take that can lead to growth. The Apex project started as >>> marketing campaign of a failed vendor and though few of us were hoping >> that >>> would change over time, it didn't. >>> >>> What reasons are there to adopt Apex today? >>> >>> * No support for k8s as deployment platform (doesn't even support latest >>> YARN version) >>> * No UI >>> * No observability story >>> * No plans to support Java 11 (new LTS version) >>> * ... >>> >>> And most importantly no community to change any of that. >>> >>> One can deny the ground reality and continue to pretend there is life in >>> Apex. But as it stands, all roads lead to attic. Without contributions >> and >>> releases I don't see why we should prolong this march. There were few >>> announcements for related work, but no follow-through. >>> >>> I would vote for attic, but would be pleasantly surprised to see reasons >>> not to. >>> >>> Thomas >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 9:50 PM Atri Sharma <a...@linux.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I agree. >>>> >>>> The project, IMO, still has hopes for survival since it is well >>>> respected for its capabilities. Putting it in attic basically kills it >>>> off completely. >>>> >>>> I would vote against it, atleast for now >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 9:54 AM Pramod Immaneni >>>> <pramod.imman...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I would like to point out that there is no agreement among the project >>>> PMCs >>>>> that the project should go to attic, not many are for it and quite a >> few >>>>> oppose it. If a PMC member or committer cannot or does not wish to >>>>> participate at any time, they can choose to remain inactive, there is >> no >>>>> obligation. If someone feels strongly that they rather not remain >>>> inactive >>>>> while being part of the project they can choose to resign, although >> that >>>>> would be largely regrettable. Jan end sounds reasonable for the >>>> submission >>>>> although it’s outcome should not determine the future of the project. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 6:09 PM Vlad Rozov <vro...@apache.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Let’s agree on ETA (by end of January?) for the contribution. Also, >> one >>>>>> contribution in several months is not sufficient to keep project >>>> active, >>>>>> IMO. Anybody else, especially other PMCs? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>> >>>>>> Vlad >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 7, 2019, at 12:06, Pramod Immaneni <pramod.imman...@gmail.com >>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, I have an operator that I am trying to get clearance on before >>>>>>> submitting. Will likely need a maven server to host a dependency >>>> that's >>>>>> not >>>>>>> on central. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 9:08 AM Vlad Rozov <vro...@apache.org> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Does anyone plan to contribute to the project in the near future? >>>>>>>> Otherwise, I plan to submit a vote to move the project to Apache >>>> attic. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Vlad >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Pramod >>>>>>> http://ts.la/pramod3443 >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Pramod >>>>> http://ts.la/pramod3443 >>>> >> >> > > -- > Thanks, > Pramod > http://ts.la/pramod3443
