My vote for:

1. Commitership to be open to all those who desire and wish to contribute.
2. PMC membership to be participation based.

On 9 November 2015 at 05:44, Amol Kekre <[email protected]> wrote:

> The original intent of the project was also to be very open on
> committership. Folks who have a desire to start contributing should be able
> to join as a committer with a very low/negligible/none threshold. Our aim
> was and will continue to be open to building open community.
>
> As per the original intent of the project, this thread and the list to
> evaluate should only be for governance body. Committership should be open
> to all those who desire and wish to contribute.
>
> Thks,
> Amol
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 11:20 PM, Ganelin, Ilya <
> [email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > I believe it's important to respect the original intent of the project,
> > namely to have the initial PMC consist of the 6 pre-incubation members.
> > Given that some time has elapsed since that point, however, and
> individuals
> > have had time to become involved in and contribute to the project, I
> think
> > it would be fair to expand the PMC based on the criteria you suggested. I
> > suggest that that such individuals as have demonstrated substantive
> > involvement in those categories could be voted in to the PMC at this
> time,
> > rather than at a future date.
> >
> > Just my 2c.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Ilya Ganelin
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Thomas Weise [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]
> >]
> > Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2015 12:43 AM Eastern Standard Time
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Discuss PPMC
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > This is to discuss and clarify the PPMC membership. As evident during the
> > first release vote, there have been grossly inconsistent expectations on
> > who is on the PPMC.
> >
> > As most of us have learned meanwhile, unless documented otherwise at time
> > of incubation, the PPMC is the list of initial committers:
> >
> > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ApexProposal#Initial_Committers
> >
> > In fact, as you can see, there are 49 people in the PPMC now. Several
> folks
> > expressed their surprise about this and indeed the intention was
> different.
> >
> > We wanted to start the PPMC with the set of 6 committers of the
> > pre-incubation
> > Apex repository and then grow by voting in new folks as we go.
> > Unfortunately that wasn't documented to the IPMC. Some of the initial
> > committers expressed the desire to put this topic up for discussion and
> > build consensus how we want to shape the PPMC and future PMC.
> >
> > Folks seem to prefer a policy that is based on participation and
> > contribution. Here are examples of what that could comprise:
> >
> >    - Code (obviously!)
> >    - Reviewing pull requests
> >    - Documentation
> >    - Organizing meetups and other events
> >    - Participation on email list
> >    - Web site work
> >    - Release management and verification
> >    - Publishing papers and blogs
> >    - Presenting at conferences
> >
> > Next, there have been suggestions how such policy can be reflected in
> > actual (P)PMC membership, examples:
> >
> >    - Trim PPMC to reasonable size. How? Folks that neither expect nor
> want
> >    to be in the PPMC may offer to resign and continue as committer.
> >    - At time of graduation, establish the PMC as the subset of active
> PPMC
> >    members, based on activity during incubation.
> >
> > Starting with a realistic base allows us to grow the community and add
> > committers and PPMC members organically. Conceivably, initial committers
> > that
> > had not had the chance to participate since incubation, may do so in the
> > future and if inclined, earn their membership. This then can be seen as
> > growth and diversification. Note following question in the incubator
> > podling
> > status report: When were the last committers or PMC members elected?
> >
> > Please express your thoughts on how to take it forward.
> >
> > Thomas
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