Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
Hi Niclas, thanks for your thoughts and suggestions.
The last weeks showed some bad events; we addressed these on the pmc list and with a little luck they are solved and such things will not happen again.
Carsten:
I think that Niclas is actually addressing something much closer to the real issue than any recent posts on the PMC list.
Nicolas raises an important question:
* Should Avalon be a managed community, * or, should Avalon be an evolutionary community.
If you resolve that question then all of the issues disappear. Think about it ... at the end of the day I raised a veto simply out of frustration in attempt to stop a sustained push by one individual to move me into a notion of "compliance" with something I don't agree with. I also did something really terrible - I said in public that I would not respect the outcome of the vote. So why would I do that after being a committer here for more than a couple of years? Even worse - I'm a PMC member and should setting an example!
Truth be told ... I cannot accept the result of such a vote because it implies that Avalon has adopted a micro-management policy - i.e. Avalon is no longer an evolutionary community. It imples that the Avalon is managed by the Chair and/or PMC. But the PMC should not be about setting technical direction! So .. no matter who is pushing - I'm likely to slip into NMF mode (and as Nicolas hinted, that can be polite but down and out nasty) so long as the big question remains open (which is not meant to suggest anything the disallows the conclusion that maybe I'm just a plain NMF who is dire need of some good old fashioned behavioral modification). So perhaps a decision here is would be helpful - is Avalon evolutionary or managed? If it managed then I should probably play somewhere else. If it's evolutionary - then its somewhere I want to be. If its somewhere in between - then it needs to documented clearly under our policies and procedures based on motions and votes dealing with amendment of the procedures based on the concensus of thisb community.
but currently we should give everyone another (last) chance.
I disagree with you.
I figure the "last chance" is the easy and comfortable solution that actually fails to address the more important question. Is not the real issue - "direction" versus "evolution"? At the end of the day "last chances" are nothing more than wishes cast upon the dunes of time - and just between you and I, that's like pissing in the wind (i.e. it comes back and kind of quick at that, and it ain't anything you want to deal with without a pair of gloves).
Stephen.
(who is confident that there is at least one mixed metaphor in the above paragraph)
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