These are two different things: dependency-driven build (which works) and
incremental build (which seems not to, at least right now?).

On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hmm, I'll try to refine it then next time we work with Ismael but can be a
> setup issue or a human (bad command) issue at the end. Thanks for the help,
> will make next iteration way easier probably :)
>
>
> Romain Manni-Bucau
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> 2018-01-24 23:05 GMT+01:00 Lukasz Cwik <lc...@google.com>:
>
>> Tasks always run any dependencies that are required. So if you ask to run
>> test it shouldn't run javadoc/checkstyle/... but should compile the code
>> and compile the code of all dependencies. test should never have a
>> dependency on checkstyle or javadoc or similar 'check' like tasks as they
>> shouldn't be needed.
>>
>> I set up the gradle build so that everytime you run a command in gradle,
>> it generates a task dependency tree dot file (look for visteg.dot inside
>> build/reports). I uploaded this one to imgur[1] for the
>> ':sdks:java:core:build' task to show what tasks are required. Note that
>> 'sdks:java:core:test' doesn't depend on checkstyle or spotless.
>>
>> 1: https://imgur.com/a/ZvYUX
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 12:50 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
>> rmannibu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hmm, do I miss something or it only works for iterative runs when trying
>>> to identify an issue and not for the case you rebuild due to code changes
>>> (where you would need like 5-6 tasks at least - generate, compile, test,
>>> ...)?
>>>
>>> In case it is unclear: there are 2 needs: direct execution/task ->
>>> fulfilled and clarified now (just a doc issue I think), fast cycle skipping
>>> not mandatory tasks like style related ones
>>>
>>>
>>> Romain Manni-Bucau
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>>>
>>> 2018-01-24 19:50 GMT+01:00 Lukasz Cwik <lc...@google.com>:
>>>
>>>> Gradle already has each task explicitly broken out. Kenn is pointing
>>>> out that you your development use case shouldn't use the './gradlew
>>>> :sdks:java:core:build' task since it is really an aggregator that
>>>> represents do everything within that project. This is the current list of
>>>> tasks available for :sdks:java:core:
>>>> :sdks:java:core:assemble  - Assembles the outputs of this project.
>>>> :sdks:java:core:build  - Assembles and tests this project.
>>>> :sdks:java:core:buildDependents  - Assembles and tests this project
>>>> and all projects that depend on it.
>>>> :sdks:java:core:buildEnvironment  - Displays all buildscript
>>>> dependencies declared in project :sdks:java:core.
>>>> :sdks:java:core:buildNeeded  - Assembles and tests this project and all
>>>> projects it depends on.
>>>> :sdks:java:core:check  - Runs all checks.
>>>> :sdks:java:core:checkstyleMain  - Run Checkstyle analysis for main
>>>> classes
>>>> :sdks:java:core:checkstyleTest  - Run Checkstyle analysis for test
>>>> classes
>>>> :sdks:java:core:classes  - Assembles main classes.
>>>> :sdks:java:core:clean  - Deletes the build directory.
>>>> :sdks:java:core:compileJava  - Compiles main Java source.
>>>> :sdks:java:core:compileTestJava  - Compiles test Java source.
>>>> :sdks:java:core:components  - Displays the components produced by
>>>> project :sdks:java:core. [incubating]
>>>> :sdks:java:core:dependencies  - Displays all dependencies declared in
>>>> project :sdks:java:core.
>>>> :sdks:java:core:dependencyInsight  - Displays the insight into a
>>>> specific dependency in project :sdks:java:core.
>>>> :sdks:java:core:dependencyReport  - Generates a report about your
>>>> library dependencies.
>>>> :sdks:java:core:dependentComponents  - Displays the dependent
>>>> components of components in project :sdks:java:core. [incubating]
>>>> :sdks:java:core:findbugsMain  - Run FindBugs analysis for main classes
>>>> :sdks:java:core:findbugsTest  - Run FindBugs analysis for test classes
>>>> :sdks:java:core:generateAvroJava  - Generates main Avro Java source
>>>> files from schema/protocol definition files.
>>>> :sdks:java:core:generateAvroProtocol  - Generates main Avro protocol
>>>> definition files from IDL files.
>>>> :sdks:java:core:generateTestAvroJava  - Generates test Avro Java
>>>> source files from schema/protocol definition files.
>>>> :sdks:java:core:generateTestAvroProtocol  - Generates test Avro
>>>> protocol definition files from IDL files.
>>>> :sdks:java:core:help  - Displays a help message.
>>>> :sdks:java:core:htmlDependencyReport  - Generates an HTML report about
>>>> your library dependencies.
>>>> :sdks:java:core:install  - Installs the archives artifacts into the
>>>> local Maven repository.
>>>> :sdks:java:core:jacocoTestCoverageVerification  - Verifies code
>>>> coverage metrics based on specified rules for the test task.
>>>> :sdks:java:core:jacocoTestReport  - Generates code coverage report for
>>>> the test task.
>>>> :sdks:java:core:jar  - Assembles a jar archive containing the main
>>>> classes.
>>>> :sdks:java:core:javadoc  - Generates Javadoc API documentation for the
>>>> main source code.
>>>> :sdks:java:core:knows  - Do you know who knows?
>>>> :sdks:java:core:model  - Displays the configuration model of project
>>>> :sdks:java:core. [incubating]
>>>> :sdks:java:core:packageTests  -
>>>> :sdks:java:core:processResources  - Processes main resources.
>>>> :sdks:java:core:processTestResources  - Processes test resources.
>>>> :sdks:java:core:projectReport  - Generates a report about your project.
>>>> :sdks:java:core:projects  - Displays the sub-projects of project
>>>> :sdks:java:core.
>>>> :sdks:java:core:properties  - Displays the properties of project
>>>> :sdks:java:core.
>>>> :sdks:java:core:propertyReport  - Generates a report about your
>>>> properties.
>>>> :sdks:java:core:shadowJar  - Create a combined JAR of project and
>>>> runtime dependencies
>>>> :sdks:java:core:shadowTestJar  -
>>>> :sdks:java:core:spotlessApply  - Applies code formatting steps to
>>>> sourcecode in-place.
>>>> :sdks:java:core:spotlessCheck  - Checks that sourcecode satisfies
>>>> formatting steps.
>>>> :sdks:java:core:spotlessJava  -
>>>> :sdks:java:core:spotlessJavaApply  -
>>>> :sdks:java:core:spotlessJavaCheck  -
>>>> :sdks:java:core:taskReport  - Generates a report about your tasks.
>>>> :sdks:java:core:tasks  - Displays the tasks runnable from project
>>>> :sdks:java:core.
>>>> :sdks:java:core:testClasses  - Assembles test classes.
>>>> :sdks:java:core:test  - Runs the unit tests.
>>>> :sdks:java:core:updateOfflineRepository  -
>>>>
>>>> So if you specify the ':sdks:java:core:test' task then only the tests
>>>> run (and any dependent tasks which are not up to date), while 
>>>> ':sdks:java:core:check'
>>>> runs the suite of all checks. If your working on two modules and want to
>>>> run the tests for both you really want to specify each explicit end goal
>>>> that you want like ':sdks:java:core:test' and ':sdks:java:harness:test'.
>>>> Unfortunately incremental builds (https://issues.apache.org/jir
>>>> a/browse/BEAM-3253) are unreliable in a few of the modules (like sql
>>>> and python) so you may find that you need to specify --rerun-tasks to make
>>>> sure that all tasks are rerun even if Gradle thinks they are up to date.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 3:38 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
>>>> rmannibu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Can have mischecked gradle setup but I don't think we are here yet, if
>>>>> you are not bound in a module and work accross 2 modules and iterate
>>>>> between working on both and one, you will likely not bypass the "checks"
>>>>> in  a satisfying way without a long -x command, is there a magic flag I
>>>>> missed?
>>>>> Also not sure about the last point and how gradle helps here - it is
>>>>> rather the opposite due to the way it loads it model IMHO - so not sure
>>>>> what would be the consequence in terms of action(s) but can have missed 
>>>>> the
>>>>> point.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Romain Manni-Bucau
>>>>> @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> |  Blog
>>>>> <https://rmannibucau.metawerx.net/> | Old Blog
>>>>> <http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github
>>>>> <https://github.com/rmannibucau> | LinkedIn
>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2018-01-24 0:20 GMT+01:00 Kenneth Knowles <k...@google.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 2:51 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
>>>>>> rmannibu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmm, did you read it right Kenn? I think the idea was to skip all
>>>>>>> validation/sanity checks tasks at once (gradle xxxx -Pfast) instead of
>>>>>>> doing it manually (gradle -x findbugs -x checkstyle etc...)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, I read it right. We all want the same thing - not doing a bunch
>>>>>> of extra useless unrequested stuff when developing. The concept of 
>>>>>> skipping
>>>>>> is backwards. We don't need configs that skip things, because in a 
>>>>>> correct
>>>>>> dependency-driven build they are already not running.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So since I don't want to pretend to know gradle's invocations yet I
>>>>>> will call it $TOOL. Here's a collection of imaginary commands:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     $TOOL :sdks:java:core:unittest  # or $TOOL test :sdks:java:core
>>>>>> or whatever
>>>>>>     $TOOL :sdks:java:core:findbugs
>>>>>>     $TOOL :sdks:java:core:checkstyle
>>>>>>     $TOOL :sdks:java:core:javadoc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> None of these causes any of the others to run. Anything else is a
>>>>>> bug. The `findbugs` and `test` cause a build of the needed jars and 
>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>> else.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another example:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     $TOOL :runners:core-java:unittest
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This builds the model, the core SDK, and the runners-core module,
>>>>>> then runs the unit tests of the runners-core module. It does not test SDK
>>>>>> core, or run any javadoc, findbugs, or checkstyle on any module. Anything
>>>>>> else is a bug.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, to build a precommit that is easy to reproduce on one line, you
>>>>>> could build a compound task
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     $TOOL :sdks:java:core:precommit  # runs a selection of targets
>>>>>> that we define
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At this point you might want to skip things from the :verify task
>>>>>> here. But really, you probably just want to run the things you are
>>>>>> interested in and you don't need custom hooks in the aggregated task.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My understanding is that gradle can support all of this, if we are
>>>>>> disciplined. Getting to this point is the main/only reason I supported
>>>>>> gradle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> diff --git a/examples/java/build.gradle
>>>>>>>>> b/examples/java/build.gradle
>>>>>>>>> >> index 0fc0b17df..001bd8b38 100644
>>>>>>>>> >> --- a/examples/java/build.gradle
>>>>>>>>> >> +++ b/examples/java/build.gradle
>>>>>>>>> >> @@ -130,7 +130,7 @@ def preCommitAdditionalFlags = [
>>>>>>>>> >>    dataflowStreamingRunner: [ "--streaming=true" ],
>>>>>>>>> >>  ]
>>>>>>>>> >>  for (String runner : preCommitRunners) {
>>>>>>>>> >> -  tasks.create(name: runner + "PreCommit", type: Test) {
>>>>>>>>> >> +  tasks.create(name: runner + "PreCommit", type: Test,
>>>>>>>>> description: "Run tests
>>>>>>>>> >> for runner ${runner.replace('Runner', '')}") {
>>>>>>>>> >>      def preCommitBeamTestPipelineOptions = [
>>>>>>>>> >>         "--project=apache-beam-testing",
>>>>>>>>> >>         "--tempRoot=gs://temp-storage-for-end-to-end-tests",
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> Romain Manni-Bucau
>>>>>>>>> >> @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> |  Blog
>>>>>>>>> >> <https://rmannibucau.metawerx.net/> | Old Blog
>>>>>>>>> >> <http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github <
>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/rmannibucau> |
>>>>>>>>> >> LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >> 2018-01-23 8:45 GMT+01:00 Jean-Baptiste Onofré <j...@nanthrax.net
>>>>>>>>> >> <mailto:j...@nanthrax.net>>:
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>     Hi Romain,
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>     I think we are pretty close: agree to add some explicit
>>>>>>>>> tasks & projects names.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>     We can add additional tasks like skipAudit, for instance.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>     As reminder, gradle tasks provides the list of tasks and
>>>>>>>>> gradle projects
>>>>>>>>> >>     provides the list of projects/modules.
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>     Regards
>>>>>>>>> >>     JB
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>     On 01/23/2018 08:12 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>     > Hmm, I have to admit docs dont have my favor cause they
>>>>>>>>> are easily outdated and
>>>>>>>>> >>     > hard to search but you hit a good point. Starting by
>>>>>>>>> renaming properly the tasks
>>>>>>>>> >>     > and maybe writing what is done in build files - since it
>>>>>>>>> is code and even "api
>>>>>>>>> >>     > for dev", it requires as much comments than the main api
>>>>>>>>> - can be better to start.
>>>>>>>>> >>     >
>>>>>>>>> >>     > Also a big switch flag to bypass checkstyle/findbugs/...
>>>>>>>>> can be good while in
>>>>>>>>> >>     > dev since these phases cost a looot for nothing while you
>>>>>>>>> validates your code in
>>>>>>>>> >>     > runners modules for instance.
>>>>>>>>> >>     >
>>>>>>>>> >>     > Le 23 janv. 2018 07:15, "Kenneth Knowles" <k...@google.com
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:k...@google.com>
>>>>>>>>> >>     > <mailto:k...@google.com <mailto:k...@google.com>>> a écrit
>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>> >>     >
>>>>>>>>> >>     >     On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 10:03 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
>>>>>>>>> rmannibu...@gmail.com <mailto:rmannibu...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> >>     >     <mailto:rmannibu...@gmail.com <mailto:
>>>>>>>>> rmannibu...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >>     >
>>>>>>>>> >>     >         @Kenneth: why not dropping the doc for a script
>>>>>>>>> with comments in the
>>>>>>>>> >>     >         project? A "RUNME.sh" ;).
>>>>>>>>> >>     >
>>>>>>>>> >>     >
>>>>>>>>> >>     >     That's cool, too, but also any shell one liner can be
>>>>>>>>> a gradle one
>>>>>>>>> >>     liner or
>>>>>>>>> >>     >     mvn two/three liner :-). it is just trading one
>>>>>>>>> command that you cannot
>>>>>>>>> >>     >     guess easily for a different one that you still can't
>>>>>>>>> guess easily.
>>>>>>>>> >>     >
>>>>>>>>> >>     >     For example, are the SparkRunner ValidatesRunner
>>>>>>>>> tests in the
>>>>>>>>> >>     SparkRunner or
>>>>>>>>> >>     >     the core SDK or a third module that integrates the
>>>>>>>>> two? And why would you
>>>>>>>>> >>     >     know that the example ITs are called
>>>>>>>>> "sparkRunnerPreCommit"? It
>>>>>>>>> >>     doesn't even
>>>>>>>>> >>     >     make sense really to have "precommit" or "postcommit"
>>>>>>>>> except as aliases to
>>>>>>>>> >>     >     make it easy to repro Jenkins' behavior - they have
>>>>>>>>> no other intrinsic
>>>>>>>>> >>     meaning.
>>>>>>>>> >>     >
>>>>>>>>> >>     >     So I was proposing a mapping from "full sentence +
>>>>>>>>> description" to one
>>>>>>>>> >>     liner
>>>>>>>>> >>     >     to help people navigate the targets that we set up.
>>>>>>>>> Some web page or doc
>>>>>>>>> >>     >     that people can just quickly scan to find out to do
>>>>>>>>> common things, easier
>>>>>>>>> >>     >     than groovy or XML.
>>>>>>>>> >>     >
>>>>>>>>> >>     >     Kenn
>>>>>>>>> >>     >
>>>>>>>>> >>     >
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>     --
>>>>>>>>> >>     Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>>>>>>>> >>     jbono...@apache.org <mailto:jbono...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>> >>     http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>>>>>>>> >>     Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > --
>>>>>>>>> > Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>>>>>>>> > jbono...@apache.org
>>>>>>>>> > http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>>>>>>>> > Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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