Dependency driven works, incremental works for most java modules.
I use incremental almost all the time and just do one validation pass at
the end before opening the PR where I use '--rerun-tasks' to be sure.
Allows me to iterate on a task in seconds.

On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 4:07 PM, Kenneth Knowles <k...@google.com> wrote:

> These are two different things: dependency-driven build (which works) and
> incremental build (which seems not to, at least right now?).
>
> On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Hmm, I'll try to refine it then next time we work with Ismael but can be
>> a setup issue or a human (bad command) issue at the end. Thanks for the
>> help, will make next iteration way easier probably :)
>>
>>
>> Romain Manni-Bucau
>> @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> |  Blog
>> <https://rmannibucau.metawerx.net/> | Old Blog
>> <http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github
>> <https://github.com/rmannibucau> | LinkedIn
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau>
>>
>> 2018-01-24 23:05 GMT+01:00 Lukasz Cwik <lc...@google.com>:
>>
>>> Tasks always run any dependencies that are required. So if you ask to
>>> run test it shouldn't run javadoc/checkstyle/... but should compile the
>>> code and compile the code of all dependencies. test should never have a
>>> dependency on checkstyle or javadoc or similar 'check' like tasks as they
>>> shouldn't be needed.
>>>
>>> I set up the gradle build so that everytime you run a command in gradle,
>>> it generates a task dependency tree dot file (look for visteg.dot inside
>>> build/reports). I uploaded this one to imgur[1] for the
>>> ':sdks:java:core:build' task to show what tasks are required. Note that
>>> 'sdks:java:core:test' doesn't depend on checkstyle or spotless.
>>>
>>> 1: https://imgur.com/a/ZvYUX
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 24, 2018 at 12:50 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
>>> rmannibu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hmm, do I miss something or it only works for iterative runs when
>>>> trying to identify an issue and not for the case you rebuild due to code
>>>> changes (where you would need like 5-6 tasks at least - generate, compile,
>>>> test, ...)?
>>>>
>>>> In case it is unclear: there are 2 needs: direct execution/task ->
>>>> fulfilled and clarified now (just a doc issue I think), fast cycle skipping
>>>> not mandatory tasks like style related ones
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Romain Manni-Bucau
>>>> @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> |  Blog
>>>> <https://rmannibucau.metawerx.net/> | Old Blog
>>>> <http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github
>>>> <https://github.com/rmannibucau> | LinkedIn
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau>
>>>>
>>>> 2018-01-24 19:50 GMT+01:00 Lukasz Cwik <lc...@google.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> Gradle already has each task explicitly broken out. Kenn is pointing
>>>>> out that you your development use case shouldn't use the './gradlew
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:build' task since it is really an aggregator that
>>>>> represents do everything within that project. This is the current list of
>>>>> tasks available for :sdks:java:core:
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:assemble  - Assembles the outputs of this project.
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:build  - Assembles and tests this project.
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:buildDependents  - Assembles and tests this project
>>>>> and all projects that depend on it.
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:buildEnvironment  - Displays all buildscript
>>>>> dependencies declared in project :sdks:java:core.
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:buildNeeded  - Assembles and tests this project and
>>>>> all projects it depends on.
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:check  - Runs all checks.
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:checkstyleMain  - Run Checkstyle analysis for main
>>>>> classes
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:checkstyleTest  - Run Checkstyle analysis for test
>>>>> classes
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:classes  - Assembles main classes.
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:clean  - Deletes the build directory.
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:compileJava  - Compiles main Java source.
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:compileTestJava  - Compiles test Java source.
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:components  - Displays the components produced by
>>>>> project :sdks:java:core. [incubating]
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:dependencies  - Displays all dependencies declared in
>>>>> project :sdks:java:core.
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:dependencyInsight  - Displays the insight into a
>>>>> specific dependency in project :sdks:java:core.
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:dependencyReport  - Generates a report about your
>>>>> library dependencies.
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:dependentComponents  - Displays the dependent
>>>>> components of components in project :sdks:java:core. [incubating]
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:findbugsMain  - Run FindBugs analysis for main classes
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:findbugsTest  - Run FindBugs analysis for test classes
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:generateAvroJava  - Generates main Avro Java source
>>>>> files from schema/protocol definition files.
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:generateAvroProtocol  - Generates main Avro protocol
>>>>> definition files from IDL files.
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:generateTestAvroJava  - Generates test Avro Java
>>>>> source files from schema/protocol definition files.
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:generateTestAvroProtocol  - Generates test Avro
>>>>> protocol definition files from IDL files.
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:help  - Displays a help message.
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:htmlDependencyReport  - Generates an HTML report
>>>>> about your library dependencies.
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:install  - Installs the archives artifacts into the
>>>>> local Maven repository.
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:jacocoTestCoverageVerification  - Verifies code
>>>>> coverage metrics based on specified rules for the test task.
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:jacocoTestReport  - Generates code coverage report
>>>>> for the test task.
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:jar  - Assembles a jar archive containing the main
>>>>> classes.
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:javadoc  - Generates Javadoc API documentation for the
>>>>> main source code.
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:knows  - Do you know who knows?
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:model  - Displays the configuration model of project
>>>>> :sdks:java:core. [incubating]
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:packageTests  -
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:processResources  - Processes main resources.
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:processTestResources  - Processes test resources.
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:projectReport  - Generates a report about your project.
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:projects  - Displays the sub-projects of project
>>>>> :sdks:java:core.
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:properties  - Displays the properties of project
>>>>> :sdks:java:core.
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:propertyReport  - Generates a report about your
>>>>> properties.
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:shadowJar  - Create a combined JAR of project and
>>>>> runtime dependencies
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:shadowTestJar  -
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:spotlessApply  - Applies code formatting steps to
>>>>> sourcecode in-place.
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:spotlessCheck  - Checks that sourcecode satisfies
>>>>> formatting steps.
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:spotlessJava  -
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:spotlessJavaApply  -
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:spotlessJavaCheck  -
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:taskReport  - Generates a report about your tasks.
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:tasks  - Displays the tasks runnable from project
>>>>> :sdks:java:core.
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:testClasses  - Assembles test classes.
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:test  - Runs the unit tests.
>>>>> :sdks:java:core:updateOfflineRepository  -
>>>>>
>>>>> So if you specify the ':sdks:java:core:test' task then only the tests
>>>>> run (and any dependent tasks which are not up to date), while 
>>>>> ':sdks:java:core:check'
>>>>> runs the suite of all checks. If your working on two modules and want to
>>>>> run the tests for both you really want to specify each explicit end goal
>>>>> that you want like ':sdks:java:core:test' and ':sdks:java:harness:test'.
>>>>> Unfortunately incremental builds (https://issues.apache.org/jir
>>>>> a/browse/BEAM-3253) are unreliable in a few of the modules (like sql
>>>>> and python) so you may find that you need to specify --rerun-tasks to make
>>>>> sure that all tasks are rerun even if Gradle thinks they are up to date.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 3:38 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
>>>>> rmannibu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Can have mischecked gradle setup but I don't think we are here yet,
>>>>>> if you are not bound in a module and work accross 2 modules and iterate
>>>>>> between working on both and one, you will likely not bypass the "checks"
>>>>>> in  a satisfying way without a long -x command, is there a magic flag I
>>>>>> missed?
>>>>>> Also not sure about the last point and how gradle helps here - it is
>>>>>> rather the opposite due to the way it loads it model IMHO - so not sure
>>>>>> what would be the consequence in terms of action(s) but can have missed 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Romain Manni-Bucau
>>>>>> @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> |  Blog
>>>>>> <https://rmannibucau.metawerx.net/> | Old Blog
>>>>>> <http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github
>>>>>> <https://github.com/rmannibucau> | LinkedIn
>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2018-01-24 0:20 GMT+01:00 Kenneth Knowles <k...@google.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 2:51 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
>>>>>>> rmannibu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hmm, did you read it right Kenn? I think the idea was to skip all
>>>>>>>> validation/sanity checks tasks at once (gradle xxxx -Pfast) instead of
>>>>>>>> doing it manually (gradle -x findbugs -x checkstyle etc...)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, I read it right. We all want the same thing - not doing a bunch
>>>>>>> of extra useless unrequested stuff when developing. The concept of 
>>>>>>> skipping
>>>>>>> is backwards. We don't need configs that skip things, because in a 
>>>>>>> correct
>>>>>>> dependency-driven build they are already not running.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So since I don't want to pretend to know gradle's invocations yet I
>>>>>>> will call it $TOOL. Here's a collection of imaginary commands:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     $TOOL :sdks:java:core:unittest  # or $TOOL test :sdks:java:core
>>>>>>> or whatever
>>>>>>>     $TOOL :sdks:java:core:findbugs
>>>>>>>     $TOOL :sdks:java:core:checkstyle
>>>>>>>     $TOOL :sdks:java:core:javadoc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> None of these causes any of the others to run. Anything else is a
>>>>>>> bug. The `findbugs` and `test` cause a build of the needed jars and 
>>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>> else.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another example:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     $TOOL :runners:core-java:unittest
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This builds the model, the core SDK, and the runners-core module,
>>>>>>> then runs the unit tests of the runners-core module. It does not test 
>>>>>>> SDK
>>>>>>> core, or run any javadoc, findbugs, or checkstyle on any module. 
>>>>>>> Anything
>>>>>>> else is a bug.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now, to build a precommit that is easy to reproduce on one line, you
>>>>>>> could build a compound task
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     $TOOL :sdks:java:core:precommit  # runs a selection of targets
>>>>>>> that we define
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At this point you might want to skip things from the :verify task
>>>>>>> here. But really, you probably just want to run the things you are
>>>>>>> interested in and you don't need custom hooks in the aggregated task.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My understanding is that gradle can support all of this, if we are
>>>>>>> disciplined. Getting to this point is the main/only reason I supported
>>>>>>> gradle.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kenn
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> diff --git a/examples/java/build.gradle
>>>>>>>>>> b/examples/java/build.gradle
>>>>>>>>>> >> index 0fc0b17df..001bd8b38 100644
>>>>>>>>>> >> --- a/examples/java/build.gradle
>>>>>>>>>> >> +++ b/examples/java/build.gradle
>>>>>>>>>> >> @@ -130,7 +130,7 @@ def preCommitAdditionalFlags = [
>>>>>>>>>> >>    dataflowStreamingRunner: [ "--streaming=true" ],
>>>>>>>>>> >>  ]
>>>>>>>>>> >>  for (String runner : preCommitRunners) {
>>>>>>>>>> >> -  tasks.create(name: runner + "PreCommit", type: Test) {
>>>>>>>>>> >> +  tasks.create(name: runner + "PreCommit", type: Test,
>>>>>>>>>> description: "Run tests
>>>>>>>>>> >> for runner ${runner.replace('Runner', '')}") {
>>>>>>>>>> >>      def preCommitBeamTestPipelineOptions = [
>>>>>>>>>> >>         "--project=apache-beam-testing",
>>>>>>>>>> >>         "--tempRoot=gs://temp-storage-for-end-to-end-tests",
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Romain Manni-Bucau
>>>>>>>>>> >> @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> |  Blog
>>>>>>>>>> >> <https://rmannibucau.metawerx.net/> | Old Blog
>>>>>>>>>> >> <http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github <
>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/rmannibucau> |
>>>>>>>>>> >> LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau>
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> 2018-01-23 8:45 GMT+01:00 Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
>>>>>>>>>> j...@nanthrax.net
>>>>>>>>>> >> <mailto:j...@nanthrax.net>>:
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>     Hi Romain,
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>     I think we are pretty close: agree to add some explicit
>>>>>>>>>> tasks & projects names.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>     We can add additional tasks like skipAudit, for instance.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>     As reminder, gradle tasks provides the list of tasks and
>>>>>>>>>> gradle projects
>>>>>>>>>> >>     provides the list of projects/modules.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>     Regards
>>>>>>>>>> >>     JB
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>     On 01/23/2018 08:12 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>     > Hmm, I have to admit docs dont have my favor cause they
>>>>>>>>>> are easily outdated and
>>>>>>>>>> >>     > hard to search but you hit a good point. Starting by
>>>>>>>>>> renaming properly the tasks
>>>>>>>>>> >>     > and maybe writing what is done in build files - since it
>>>>>>>>>> is code and even "api
>>>>>>>>>> >>     > for dev", it requires as much comments than the main api
>>>>>>>>>> - can be better to start.
>>>>>>>>>> >>     >
>>>>>>>>>> >>     > Also a big switch flag to bypass checkstyle/findbugs/...
>>>>>>>>>> can be good while in
>>>>>>>>>> >>     > dev since these phases cost a looot for nothing while
>>>>>>>>>> you validates your code in
>>>>>>>>>> >>     > runners modules for instance.
>>>>>>>>>> >>     >
>>>>>>>>>> >>     > Le 23 janv. 2018 07:15, "Kenneth Knowles" <
>>>>>>>>>> k...@google.com <mailto:k...@google.com>
>>>>>>>>>> >>     > <mailto:k...@google.com <mailto:k...@google.com>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> écrit :
>>>>>>>>>> >>     >
>>>>>>>>>> >>     >     On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 10:03 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau
>>>>>>>>>> <rmannibu...@gmail.com <mailto:rmannibu...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> >>     >     <mailto:rmannibu...@gmail.com <mailto:
>>>>>>>>>> rmannibu...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>     >
>>>>>>>>>> >>     >         @Kenneth: why not dropping the doc for a script
>>>>>>>>>> with comments in the
>>>>>>>>>> >>     >         project? A "RUNME.sh" ;).
>>>>>>>>>> >>     >
>>>>>>>>>> >>     >
>>>>>>>>>> >>     >     That's cool, too, but also any shell one liner can
>>>>>>>>>> be a gradle one
>>>>>>>>>> >>     liner or
>>>>>>>>>> >>     >     mvn two/three liner :-). it is just trading one
>>>>>>>>>> command that you cannot
>>>>>>>>>> >>     >     guess easily for a different one that you still
>>>>>>>>>> can't guess easily.
>>>>>>>>>> >>     >
>>>>>>>>>> >>     >     For example, are the SparkRunner ValidatesRunner
>>>>>>>>>> tests in the
>>>>>>>>>> >>     SparkRunner or
>>>>>>>>>> >>     >     the core SDK or a third module that integrates the
>>>>>>>>>> two? And why would you
>>>>>>>>>> >>     >     know that the example ITs are called
>>>>>>>>>> "sparkRunnerPreCommit"? It
>>>>>>>>>> >>     doesn't even
>>>>>>>>>> >>     >     make sense really to have "precommit" or
>>>>>>>>>> "postcommit" except as aliases to
>>>>>>>>>> >>     >     make it easy to repro Jenkins' behavior - they have
>>>>>>>>>> no other intrinsic
>>>>>>>>>> >>     meaning.
>>>>>>>>>> >>     >
>>>>>>>>>> >>     >     So I was proposing a mapping from "full sentence +
>>>>>>>>>> description" to one
>>>>>>>>>> >>     liner
>>>>>>>>>> >>     >     to help people navigate the targets that we set up.
>>>>>>>>>> Some web page or doc
>>>>>>>>>> >>     >     that people can just quickly scan to find out to do
>>>>>>>>>> common things, easier
>>>>>>>>>> >>     >     than groovy or XML.
>>>>>>>>>> >>     >
>>>>>>>>>> >>     >     Kenn
>>>>>>>>>> >>     >
>>>>>>>>>> >>     >
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>     --
>>>>>>>>>> >>     Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>>>>>>>>> >>     jbono...@apache.org <mailto:jbono...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>> >>     http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>>>>>>>>> >>     Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > --
>>>>>>>>>> > Jean-Baptiste Onofré
>>>>>>>>>> > jbono...@apache.org
>>>>>>>>>> > http://blog.nanthrax.net
>>>>>>>>>> > Talend - http://www.talend.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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