Bumping this thread from the other one [1].

> 1. Read sdk version from gradle.properties and use this as the default
tag. Done with Python, need to implement it with Java and Go.

100% agree with this one. Using the same tag for local and release images
has already caused a good deal of confusion. Filed BEAM-8570 and BEAM-8571
[2][3].

> 2. Remove pulling images before executing docker run command. This should
be fixed for Python, Java and Go.

Valentyn (from [1]):
> I think pulling the latest image for the current tag is actually a
desired behavior, in case the external image was updated (due to a bug fix
for example).

There's a PR for this [4]. Once we fix the default tag for Java/Go
containers, the dev and release containers will be distinct, which makes it
seldom important whether or not the image is `docker pull`ed. Anyway, I
agree with Thomas that implicitly running `docker pull` is confusing and
requires some adjustments to work around. The user can always run `docker
pull` themselves if that's the intention.

[1]
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/0f2ccbbe7969b91dc21ba331c1a30d730e268cc0355c1ac1ba0b7988@%3Cdev.beam.apache.org%3E
[2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/BEAM-8570
[3] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/BEAM-8571
[4] https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/9972

On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 5:32 PM Ahmet Altay <[email protected]> wrote:

> I do not believe this is a blocker for Beam 2.16. I agree that it would be
> good to fix this.
>
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 3:15 PM Hannah Jiang <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Thomas
>>
>> Thanks for bring this up.
>>
>> Now Python uses sdk version as a default tag, while Java and Go use
>> latest as a default tag. I agree using latest as a tag is problematic. The
>> reason only Python uses sdk version as a default tag is Python has
>> version.py so the version is easy to read. For Java and Go, we need to read
>> it from gradle.properties when creating images with the default tag and
>> when setting the default image.
>>
>> Here is what we need to do:
>> 1. Read sdk version from gradle.properties and use this as the default
>> tag. Done with Python, need to implement it with Java and Go.
>> 2. Remove pulling images before executing docker run command. This should
>> be fixed for Python, Java and Go.
>>
>> Is this a blocker for 2.16? If so and above are too much work for 2.16 at
>> the moment, we can hardcode the default tag for release branch for now.
>>
>> Using timestamp as a tag is an option as well, as long as runners know
>> which timestamp they should use.
>>
>> Hannah
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 10:13 AM Alan Myrvold <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, using the latest tag is problematic and can lead to unexpected
>>> behavior.
>>> Using a date/time or 2.17.0.dev-$USER tag would be better. The validates
>>> container shell script uses a datetime
>>> <https://github.com/apache/beam/blob/6551d0937ee31a8e310b63b222dbc750ec9331f8/sdks/python/container/run_validatescontainer.sh#L87>
>>> tag, which allows a unique name if no two tests are run in the same second.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 10:05 AM Thomas Weise <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Want to bump this thread.
>>>>
>>>> If the current behavior is to replace locally built image with the last
>>>> published, then this is not only unexpected for developers but also
>>>> problematic for the CI, where tests should run against what was built from
>>>> source. Or am I missing something?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Thomas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 7:08 PM Thomas Weise <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Hannah,
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe this is unexpected from the developer perspective. When
>>>>> building something locally, we do expect that to be used. We may need to
>>>>> change to not pull when the image is available locally, at least when it 
>>>>> is
>>>>> a snapshot/master branch. Release images should be immutable anyways.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 4:13 PM Hannah Jiang <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> A minor update, with custom container, the pipeline would not fail,
>>>>>> it throws out warning and moves on to `docker run` command.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 4:05 PM Hannah Jiang <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Brian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If we pull docker images, it always downloads from remote
>>>>>>> repository, which is expected behavior.
>>>>>>> In case we want to run a local image and pull it only when the image
>>>>>>> is not available at local, we can use `docker run` command directly,
>>>>>>> without pulling it in advance. [1]
>>>>>>> In case we want to pull images only when they are not available at
>>>>>>> local, we can use `docker images -q` to check if images are existing at
>>>>>>> local before pulling it.
>>>>>>> Another option is re-tag your local image, pass your image to
>>>>>>> pipeline and overwrite default one, but the code is still trying to 
>>>>>>> pull,
>>>>>>> so if your image is not pushed to the remote repository, it would fail.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. https://github.com/docker/cli/pull/1498
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hannah
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 11:56 AM Brian Hulette <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm working on a demo cross-language pipeline on a local flink
>>>>>>>> cluster that relies on my python row coder PR [1]. The PR includes some
>>>>>>>> changes to the Java worker code, so I need to build a Java SDK 
>>>>>>>> container
>>>>>>>> locally and use that in the pipeline.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, whenever I run the pipeline,
>>>>>>>> the apachebeam/java_sdk:latest tag is moved off of my locally built 
>>>>>>>> image
>>>>>>>> to a newly downloaded image with a creation date 2 weeks ago, and that
>>>>>>>> image is used instead. It looks like the reason is we run `docker pull`
>>>>>>>> before running the container [2]. As the comment says this should be a
>>>>>>>> no-op if the image already exists, but that doesn't seem to be the 
>>>>>>>> case. If
>>>>>>>> I just run `docker pull apachebeam/java_sdk:latest` on my local 
>>>>>>>> machine it
>>>>>>>> downloads the 2 week old image and happily informs me:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Status: Downloaded newer image for apachebeam/java_sdk:latest
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does anyone know how I can prevent `docker pull` from doing this? I
>>>>>>>> can unblock myself for now just by commenting out the docker pull 
>>>>>>>> command,
>>>>>>>> but I'd like to understand what is going on here.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [1] https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/9188
>>>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/beam/blob/master/runners/java-fn-execution/src/main/java/org/apache/beam/runners/fnexecution/environment/DockerCommand.java#L80
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>

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