>
> Anyway, I agree with Thomas that implicitly running `docker pull` is
> confusing and requires some adjustments to work around. The user can always
> run `docker pull` themselves if that's the intention.


I understand that implicit pull may come across as surprising. However I
see the  required adjustments as a better practice. I would argue that
customized containers images should not reuse the same  name:tag
combination, and it would also help the users avoid a situation where a
runner may use a different container image in different execution
environments.
It may also help avoid issue where a user reports an issue with Beam, that
others cannot reproduce only because a user was running a customized
container on their local machine (and forgot about it).
Also, if a users' pipeline is relies on a  container image released by Beam
( or maybe a third party), external updates to such container image may not
propagate to the pipeline workflow without an explicit pull. Always pulling
the image may help to ensure a more deterministic behavior.

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 10:38 AM Kyle Weaver <[email protected]> wrote:

> Bumping this thread from the other one [1].
>
> > 1. Read sdk version from gradle.properties and use this as the default
> tag. Done with Python, need to implement it with Java and Go.
>
> 100% agree with this one. Using the same tag for local and release images
> has already caused a good deal of confusion. Filed BEAM-8570 and BEAM-8571
> [2][3].
>
> > 2. Remove pulling images before executing docker run command. This
> should be fixed for Python, Java and Go.
>
> Valentyn (from [1]):
> > I think pulling the latest image for the current tag is actually a
> desired behavior, in case the external image was updated (due to a bug fix
> for example).
>
> There's a PR for this [4]. Once we fix the default tag for Java/Go
> containers, the dev and release containers will be distinct, which makes it
> seldom important whether or not the image is `docker pull`ed. Anyway, I
> agree with Thomas that implicitly running `docker pull` is confusing and
> requires some adjustments to work around. The user can always run `docker
> pull` themselves if that's the intention.
>
> [1]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/0f2ccbbe7969b91dc21ba331c1a30d730e268cc0355c1ac1ba0b7988@%3Cdev.beam.apache.org%3E
> [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/BEAM-8570
> [3] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/BEAM-8571
> [4] https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/9972
>
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 5:32 PM Ahmet Altay <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I do not believe this is a blocker for Beam 2.16. I agree that it would
>> be good to fix this.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 3:15 PM Hannah Jiang <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Thomas
>>>
>>> Thanks for bring this up.
>>>
>>> Now Python uses sdk version as a default tag, while Java and Go use
>>> latest as a default tag. I agree using latest as a tag is problematic. The
>>> reason only Python uses sdk version as a default tag is Python has
>>> version.py so the version is easy to read. For Java and Go, we need to read
>>> it from gradle.properties when creating images with the default tag and
>>> when setting the default image.
>>>
>>> Here is what we need to do:
>>> 1. Read sdk version from gradle.properties and use this as the default
>>> tag. Done with Python, need to implement it with Java and Go.
>>> 2. Remove pulling images before executing docker run command. This
>>> should be fixed for Python, Java and Go.
>>>
>>> Is this a blocker for 2.16? If so and above are too much work for 2.16
>>> at the moment, we can hardcode the default tag for release branch for now.
>>>
>>> Using timestamp as a tag is an option as well, as long as runners know
>>> which timestamp they should use.
>>>
>>> Hannah
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 10:13 AM Alan Myrvold <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, using the latest tag is problematic and can lead to unexpected
>>>> behavior.
>>>> Using a date/time or 2.17.0.dev-$USER tag would be better. The
>>>> validates container shell script uses a datetime
>>>> <https://github.com/apache/beam/blob/6551d0937ee31a8e310b63b222dbc750ec9331f8/sdks/python/container/run_validatescontainer.sh#L87>
>>>> tag, which allows a unique name if no two tests are run in the same second.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 10:05 AM Thomas Weise <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Want to bump this thread.
>>>>>
>>>>> If the current behavior is to replace locally built image with the
>>>>> last published, then this is not only unexpected for developers but also
>>>>> problematic for the CI, where tests should run against what was built from
>>>>> source. Or am I missing something?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 7:08 PM Thomas Weise <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Hannah,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I believe this is unexpected from the developer perspective. When
>>>>>> building something locally, we do expect that to be used. We may need to
>>>>>> change to not pull when the image is available locally, at least when it 
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> a snapshot/master branch. Release images should be immutable anyways.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 4:13 PM Hannah Jiang <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A minor update, with custom container, the pipeline would not fail,
>>>>>>> it throws out warning and moves on to `docker run` command.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 4:05 PM Hannah Jiang <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Brian
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If we pull docker images, it always downloads from remote
>>>>>>>> repository, which is expected behavior.
>>>>>>>> In case we want to run a local image and pull it only when the
>>>>>>>> image is not available at local, we can use `docker run` command 
>>>>>>>> directly,
>>>>>>>> without pulling it in advance. [1]
>>>>>>>> In case we want to pull images only when they are not available at
>>>>>>>> local, we can use `docker images -q` to check if images are existing at
>>>>>>>> local before pulling it.
>>>>>>>> Another option is re-tag your local image, pass your image to
>>>>>>>> pipeline and overwrite default one, but the code is still trying to 
>>>>>>>> pull,
>>>>>>>> so if your image is not pushed to the remote repository, it would fail.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. https://github.com/docker/cli/pull/1498
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hannah
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 11:56 AM Brian Hulette <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm working on a demo cross-language pipeline on a local flink
>>>>>>>>> cluster that relies on my python row coder PR [1]. The PR includes 
>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>> changes to the Java worker code, so I need to build a Java SDK 
>>>>>>>>> container
>>>>>>>>> locally and use that in the pipeline.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, whenever I run the pipeline,
>>>>>>>>> the apachebeam/java_sdk:latest tag is moved off of my locally built 
>>>>>>>>> image
>>>>>>>>> to a newly downloaded image with a creation date 2 weeks ago, and that
>>>>>>>>> image is used instead. It looks like the reason is we run `docker 
>>>>>>>>> pull`
>>>>>>>>> before running the container [2]. As the comment says this should be a
>>>>>>>>> no-op if the image already exists, but that doesn't seem to be the 
>>>>>>>>> case. If
>>>>>>>>> I just run `docker pull apachebeam/java_sdk:latest` on my local 
>>>>>>>>> machine it
>>>>>>>>> downloads the 2 week old image and happily informs me:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Status: Downloaded newer image for apachebeam/java_sdk:latest
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Does anyone know how I can prevent `docker pull` from doing this?
>>>>>>>>> I can unblock myself for now just by commenting out the docker pull
>>>>>>>>> command, but I'd like to understand what is going on here.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Brian
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [1] https://github.com/apache/beam/pull/9188
>>>>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/beam/blob/master/runners/java-fn-execution/src/main/java/org/apache/beam/runners/fnexecution/environment/DockerCommand.java#L80
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>

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