Hi, On Tue, Nov 8, 2022 at 4:01 PM Rich Bowen <[email protected]> wrote:
> > No, Chris. You have this entirely wrong, so you can just stop with the > > nonsense. There is no rule "as soon as they graduate". The rule is "they > > can operate according to standard Apache governance". YOU are swooping > in, > > and trying to impose your perceptions of rules and governance. You are > not > > a PMC member, and have no basis to impose your thinking upon this > > community. Point out things to correct, but your commentary is > unwarranted, > > uninvited, and unwelcome. > > It was my expectation that the first Petri graduate out of the gate would > have some growing pains - not because Petri does things "wrong", but > because the Incubator has years of process/playbooks/crank-turning and so > some things get caught earlier just due to that. > > I'm, of course, an outsider both to BuildStream and to Petri, so my > commentary might also be unwelcome. But I see Chris' comments as an > important part of honing that process to ensure that projects that come out > of this parallel workstream are as well prepared for life at the ASF as > projects that come out of the Incubator. Chris' eye for detail is something > that I have appreciated over the years. > > Meanwhile, what's important here, IMHO, is that both BuildStream and Petri > be open to criticism, and to correcting missteps - and that's certainly > what I'm seeing in this thread so far. This is an important part of us all > coming to trust the new Petri process. I expect that BuildStream is going > to get scrutiny that other projects don't have to endure, and I, for one, > appreciate Tristan's willingness, so far, to take this constructive > criticism and act on it. > I think it's important to raise constructive criticism in the forum that is best fitting. Using the [email protected] list to raise concerns about Petri, bringing up the Incubator, etc, on a VOTE thread does not seem to be particularly great. Only when you actually have been around the ASF for a while, and actually know what goes on in different fora, you have enough context for Incubator vs Petri references to make sense. If you are an Apache BuildStream community member, this thread comes across as "the apache project is uninviting at best", which I found very very unfortunate to hear through a personal message from someone other than Tristan. I respectfully ask for everyone to stay on topic, and to be critical in a constructive manner. That is most certainly welcome. I'd like the community here to remain feeling welcome and supported. The perception of the contrary is starting to form, which is completely unnecessary. Overall I'm seeing best intentions - let's make sure that these intentions actually lead to a positive outcome. Cheers, Sander
