Hadrian,

It would be great if you could get clarification from ASF legal on the use of 
the logo.

thanks,

rob
On 29 Mar 2011, at 14:51, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote:

> Rob, I *always* wear an Apache hat on this list. And I don't appreciate cheap 
> innuendoes. Please feel free to point to any instance in the past when it 
> wasn't the case. Until then please choose your words carefully.
> 
> The Camel project, or any project, or any organization cannot use a mark that 
> would create confusion, registered or not. Or so I was told by an attorney 
> friend who is not involved with ASF, but I should probably take it with the 
> ASF legal to confirm. I am not sure how aware you are of it, but the ASF is 
> putting more emphasis lately on enforcing the trademark policy. Trademarks 
> compliance should also be part of the quarterly report.
> 
> Cheers,
> Hadrian
> 
> 
> On Mar 29, 2011, at 2:06 AM, Rob Davies wrote:
> 
>> Hadrian - are you wearing your Apache hat when asking that question ?
>> 
>> Yes - these images are variations of the logo for the CamelOne event in May. 
>> You can compare the logo here: http://fusesource.com/camelone2011/. 
>> they have been done by a professional artist - so why not submit them for 
>> consideration ?
>> 
>> From an Apache point of view you need to ask:
>> 
>> 1. Are there any trademark, copyright issues over the use of the image? (the 
>> answer is no)
>> 2. Would the community like to use them ?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> 
>> Rob
>> 
>> 
>> On 28 Mar 2011, at 19:11, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote:
>> 
>>> Claus,
>>> 
>>> Why did you submit a variation of a logo that is already used by your 
>>> employer for commercial purposes?
>>> 
>>> Hadrian
>>> 
>>> On Mar 25, 2011, at 6:37 AM, Claus Ibsen wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi
>>>> 
>>>> I dislike the A,B and C proposals.
>>>> Especially the first two A and B, looks much more like horses than camels.
>>>> For me personally I think its important that the hump on the Camel is
>>>> in the logo.
>>>> 
>>>> So far I like the old logo the best.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Debbie from FuseSource marketing had some sketches draw for our
>>>> CamelOne event by a professional sketch firm.
>>>> She said she would like to donate logos to the community and pay for
>>>> any changes we would like.
>>>> 
>>>> She had sketched the following 3 camels.
>>>> 
>>>> D: 
>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/24186045/Camel01.jpg
>>>> E: 
>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/24186045/Camel02.jpg
>>>> F: 
>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/24186045/Camel04.jpg
>>>> 
>>>> Maybe any of those or the cartoonish style it impose could be usable.
>>>> The Apache Camel text logo should of course be added.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea <hzbar...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Camel Riders,
>>>>> 
>>>>> With camel-2.7.0 out of the way I believe it's time to continue the 
>>>>> improvements of the camel site design [1].
>>>>> I will start a separate thread for documentation/manual and keep this 
>>>>> thread for the logo and css.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We have already a few contributions and I don't think other contributors 
>>>>> will step up with new proposals, so I'd propose choosing from what we 
>>>>> have, which are of great quality already. So before we go to a poll or 
>>>>> vote I would highly appreciate your input on what logo would be best for 
>>>>> the camel project.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We have a few proposals so far:
>>>>> A. 
>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/24186045/camelcomic.jpg?version=1&modificationDate=1291144284000
>>>>> B. 
>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/24186045/camelcomic2.jpg?version=1&modificationDate=1291144284000
>>>>> C. 
>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/24186045/dvichot-camel-logo.jpg?version=1&modificationDate=1296745441000
>>>>> 
>>>>> Since there are a few versions in each of the attachments above please 
>>>>> specify your preference as combination of letter and number (in the last 
>>>>> one they are not numbered, so let's use 1-3 left to right on the top row 
>>>>> and 4 for the one on the bottom row). If it matters my favorites are C3 
>>>>> and C1, in that order.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you believe something can be improved, like color, font (style, size 
>>>>> and placement), please feel free to add your suggestion. I believe the 
>>>>> original authors (or somebody) will be able to make the improvements.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Hadrian
>>>>> 
>>>>> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CAMEL/Site+Update+Ideas
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Claus Ibsen
>>>> -----------------
>>>> FuseSource
>>>> Email: cib...@fusesource.com
>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com
>>>> Twitter: davsclaus
>>>> Blog: http://davsclaus.blogspot.com/
>>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen/
>>> 
>> 
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