You are right. The question is perhaps much more conceptual than technical but Do we really need to create a archive with a KAR extension instead of allowing to deploy a JAR file (= bundle) containing a features xml file which is in fact the proposition of Claus Ibsen and certainly others ?
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Achim Nierbeck <[email protected]>wrote: > Well a KAR archive was created for this exact scenario. So if we do this > for std. jars, why would we need kars then? > > > 2013/1/22 Charles Moulliard <[email protected]> > > > On 22/01/13 11:42, Achim Nierbeck wrote: > > > >> hmm, afairc the deployment of a feature.xml embedded in a jar was meant > to > >> work this way. It was supposed to install just the feature itself > without > >> starting it right away. This was planned to work this way since it might > >> result in "Downloading the complete internet" if someone isn't careful > >> with > >> the features description. We need to check the mailinglist archive on > how > >> we decided. > >> > >> regards, Achim > >> > >> > >> 2013/1/22 Charles Moulliard <[email protected]> > >> > >> Hi Claus, > >>> > >>> Procedure to deploy camel example with this instruction install -s > >>> feature:mvn:org.apache.camel/**camel-example-sql/2.11-**SNAPSHOT works > >>> fine now > >>> with that modification (https://issues.apache.org/** > >>> jira/browse/KARAF-2134< > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KARAF-2134> > >>> ) > >>> EXCEPTED that the feature content (= bundles) are not installed. > >>> Guillaume > >>> has created a ticket to resolve this issue I think so (?) > >>> > >>> Remark : Don't think that drag/drop the bundle of camel-example-sql in > >>> deploy directory will work for the reason explained before (but you > could > >>> make a test) > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> Charles > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Claus Ibsen <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Charles Moulliard <[email protected]> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Works better. Nevertheless the features defined in the features file > >>>>> deployed as a bundle are not deployed. Here is an example > >>>>> > >>>>> [ 127] [Installed ] [ ] [ 80] camel-example-sql > >>>>> (2.11.0.SNAPSHOT) // CONTAINS FEATURES.XML FILE > >>>>> karaf@root> listurl > >>>>> Loaded URI > >>>>> true > >>>>> bundle://118.0:0/META-INF/org.**apache.karaf.shell.features/** > >>>>> features.xml > >>>>> > >>>> <-- > >>>> > >>>>> WELL DEPLOYED > >>>>> > >>>>> Definition of the features camel-example-sql > >>>>> > >>>>> karaf@root> features:info camel-example-sql > >>>>> Description of camel-example-sql 2.11-SNAPSHOT feature > >>>>> ------------------------------**------------------------------**---- > >>>>> Feature has no configuration > >>>>> Feature has no configuration files > >>>>> Feature depends on: > >>>>> camel 2.11-SNAPSHOT > >>>>> camel-spring 2.11-SNAPSHOT > >>>>> camel-sql 2.11-SNAPSHOT > >>>>> Feature contains followed bundles: > >>>>> mvn:org.apache.derby/derby/10.**9.1.0 <http://10.9.1.0> > >>>>> mvn:mvn:commons-pool/commons-**pool/1.6 > >>>>> > >>>>> mvn:mvn:org.apache.servicemix.**bundles/org.apache.servicemix.** > >>> bundles.commons-dbcp/1.4_3 > >>> > >>>> mvn:org.apache.camel/camel-**example-sql/2.11-SNAPSHOT > >>>>> > >>>>> Excepted camel-example-sql, the others are not deployed/installed > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi Charles > >>>> > >>>> Thanks for testing the karaf changes. > >>>> So are you saying that installing the example using the features: in > >>>> the url handler now works better. > >>>> But doesn't work fully yet? > >>>> > >>>> So are you saying for example that bundles like commons-pool / derby > >>>> JDBC driver etc. which > >>>> is listed in the features.xml file is not installed? > >>>> > >>>> Also did you try installing the example by dropping the JAR into the > >>>> deploy directory? > >>>> > >>>> Though I assume you have prior to that installed camel 2.11 in karaf > >>>> beforehand? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Guillaume Nodet <[email protected]> > >>>>> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Raised and fixed https://issues.apache.org/**jira/browse/KARAF-2134< > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KARAF-2134> > >>>>>> The workaround is to use the plain http url instead of the mvn url. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Charles Moulliard < > [email protected] > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> Convention is : META-INF + "/" + one directory where directory = > >>>>>>> "org.apache.karaf.shell.**features" + "/" + "*.xml" where * > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> corresponds > >>> > >>>> to > >>>> > >>>>> a > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> features.xml file > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Claus Ibsen < > [email protected] > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hi > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Charles may have pointed out about the naming of the features > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> file. > >>> > >>>> Should it be a file in META-INF which has this long name with all > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> the > >>>> > >>>>> dots? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Or should it be a features.xml file in META-INF/org/apache/... eg > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> deep > >>>> > >>>>> down in a sub dir > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Claus Ibsen < > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> [email protected] > >>> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hi > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Guillaume Nodet < > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> [email protected]> > >>>> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Are you talking about the features deployer ? > >>>>>>>>>> Karaf has it already. You can use osgi:install feature:mvn:xxx > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> or > >>>> > >>>>> drop > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> features file in the deploy directory, or deploy any bundle > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> which > >>> > >>>> has > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> a > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> META-INF/org.apache.karaf.**shell.features/*.xml file inside. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks I did not know about that. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I looked in the docs at: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> http://karaf.apache.org/**manual/latest-2.3.x/users-** > >>> guide/provisioning.html< > http://karaf.apache.org/manual/latest-2.3.x/users-guide/provisioning.html> > >>> > >>>> And didn't find any reference about that META-INF dir. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> So I tried this on Camel trunk. But didn't have the luck yet. > >>>>>>>>> Notice how the bundle get installed with 2.11-SNAPSHOT as its > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> name. I > >>>> > >>>>> guess maybe I do the install command wrong. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> davsclaus:/opt/apache-karaf-2.**3.0$ bin/karaf > >>>>>>>>> __ __ ____ > >>>>>>>>> / //_/____ __________ _/ __/ > >>>>>>>>> / ,< / __ `/ ___/ __ `/ /_ > >>>>>>>>> / /| |/ /_/ / / / /_/ / __/ > >>>>>>>>> /_/ |_|\__,_/_/ \__,_/_/ > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Apache Karaf (2.3.0) > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hit '<tab>' for a list of available commands > >>>>>>>>> and '[cmd] --help' for help on a specific command. > >>>>>>>>> Hit '<ctrl-d>' or 'osgi:shutdown' to shutdown Karaf. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> karaf@root> features: > >>>>>>>>> features:addurl features:chooseurl > >>>>>>>>> features:info features:install > >>>>>>>>> features:list features:listrepositories > >>>>>>>>> features:listurl features:listversions > >>>>>>>>> features:refreshurl features:removerepository > >>>>>>>>> features:removeurl features:uninstall > >>>>>>>>> karaf@root> features:chooseurl camel 2.11-SNAPSHOT > >>>>>>>>> adding feature url > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> mvn:org.apache.camel.karaf/**apache-camel/2.11-SNAPSHOT/** > >>> xml/features > >>> > >>>> karaf@root> osgi:install > >>>>>>>>> feature:mvn:org.apache.camel/**camel-example-sql/2.11-**SNAPSHOT > >>>>>>>>> Bundle ID: 54 > >>>>>>>>> karaf@root> la > >>>>>>>>> START LEVEL 100 , List Threshold: 0 > >>>>>>>>> ID State Blueprint Level Name > >>>>>>>>> [ 0] [Active ] [ ] [ 0] System Bundle > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> (4.0.3) > >>> > >>>> [ 1] [Active ] [ ] [ 5] OPS4J Pax Url - mvn: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> (1.3.5) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> [ 2] [Active ] [ ] [ 5] OPS4J Pax Url - > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> wrap: > >>> > >>>> (1.3.5) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> [ 3] [Active ] [ ] [ 8] OPS4J Pax Logging - > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Service > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> (1.7.0) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> [ 4] [Active ] [ ] [ 8] OPS4J Pax Logging - > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> API > >>>> > >>>>> (1.7.0) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> [ 5] [Active ] [ ] [ 10] Apache Felix > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Configuration > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Admin Service (1.4.0) > >>>>>>>>> [ 6] [Active ] [ ] [ 11] Apache Felix File > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Install > >>>> > >>>>> (3.2.6) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> [ 7] [Active ] [Created ] [ 20] Apache Aries > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Blueprint > >>> > >>>> Core > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> (1.0.1) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> [ 8] [Active ] [ ] [ 20] Apache Aries Util > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> (1.0.0) > >>>> > >>>>> [ 9] [Active ] [ ] [ 20] Apache Aries Proxy > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> API > >>> > >>>> (1.0.0) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> [ 10] [Active ] [ ] [ 20] ASM all classes > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> (4.0) > >>> > >>>> [ 11] [Active ] [ ] [ 20] Apache Aries > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Blueprint > >>> > >>>> API > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> (1.0.0) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> [ 12] [Active ] [ ] [ 20] Apache Aries Proxy > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Service > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> (1.0.0) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> [ 13] [Active ] [Created ] [ 20] Apache Aries > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Blueprint CM > >>>> > >>>>> (1.0.0) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> [ 14] [Active ] [Created ] [ 25] Apache Karaf :: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Shell > >>> > >>>> :: > >>>> > >>>>> Console (2.3.0) > >>>>>>>>> [ 15] [Active ] [Created ] [ 28] Apache Karaf :: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Deployer > >>>> > >>>>> :: Blueprint (2.3.0) > >>>>>>>>> [ 16] [Active ] [Created ] [ 28] Apache Karaf :: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Deployer > >>>> > >>>>> :: Spring (2.3.0) > >>>>>>>>> [ 17] [Active ] [Created ] [ 30] Apache Karaf :: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Shell > >>> > >>>> :: > >>>> > >>>>> SSH > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> (2.3.0) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> [ 18] [Active ] [Created ] [ 30] Apache Karaf :: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Management > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> (2.3.0) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> [ 19] [Active ] [Created ] [ 30] Apache Karaf :: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Shell > >>> > >>>> :: > >>>> > >>>>> Various Commands (2.3.0) > >>>>>>>>> [ 20] [Active ] [Created ] [ 30] Apache Karaf :: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Features > >>>> > >>>>> :: Core (2.3.0) > >>>>>>>>> [ 21] [Active ] [Created ] [ 30] Apache Karaf :: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Shell > >>> > >>>> :: > >>>> > >>>>> Log Commands (2.3.0) > >>>>>>>>> [ 22] [Active ] [Created ] [ 30] Apache Karaf :: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Features > >>>> > >>>>> :: Command (2.3.0) > >>>>>>>>> [ 23] [Active ] [Created ] [ 30] Apache Karaf :: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Diagnostic > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> :: Management (2.3.0) > >>>>>>>>> [ 24] [Active ] [ ] [ 30] Apache Mina SSHD :: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Core > >>>> > >>>>> (0.8.0) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> [ 25] [Active ] [Created ] [ 30] Apache Karaf :: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Deployer > >>>> > >>>>> :: Wrap Non OSGi Jar (2.3.0) > >>>>>>>>> [ 26] [Active ] [ ] [ 30] Apache MINA Core > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> (2.0.7) > >>>> > >>>>> [ 27] [Active ] [Created ] [ 30] Apache Karaf :: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Admin > >>> > >>>> :: > >>>> > >>>>> Command (2.3.0) > >>>>>>>>> [ 28] [Active ] [Created ] [ 30] Apache Karaf :: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Diagnostic > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> :: Command (2.3.0) > >>>>>>>>> [ 29] [Active ] [ ] [ 30] Apache Aries JMX > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Core > >>> > >>>> (1.0.1) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> [ 30] [Active ] [ ] [ 30] Apache Karaf :: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Diagnostic > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> :: Core (2.3.0) > >>>>>>>>> [ 31] [Active ] [Created ] [ 30] Apache Karaf :: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Admin > >>> > >>>> :: > >>>> > >>>>> Management (2.3.0) > >>>>>>>>> [ 32] [Active ] [ ] [ 30] Apache Aries JMX API > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> (1.0.0) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> [ 33] [Active ] [Created ] [ 30] Apache Karaf :: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Diagnostic > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> :: Common (2.3.0) > >>>>>>>>> [ 34] [Active ] [Created ] [ 30] Apache Karaf :: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Shell > >>> > >>>> :: > >>>> > >>>>> Development Commands (2.3.0) > >>>>>>>>> [ 35] [Active ] [Created ] [ 30] Apache Karaf :: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Deployer > >>>> > >>>>> :: Features (2.3.0) > >>>>>>>>> [ 36] [Active ] [ ] [ 30] Apache Aries JMX > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Blueprint > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> API (1.0.0) > >>>>>>>>> [ 37] [Active ] [Created ] [ 30] Apache Karaf :: Jaas > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> :: > >>>> > >>>>> Command (2.3.0) > >>>>>>>>> [ 38] [Active ] [Created ] [ 30] Apache Karaf :: JAAS > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> :: > >>>> > >>>>> Modules (2.3.0) > >>>>>>>>> [ 39] [Active ] [Created ] [ 30] Apache Karaf :: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Shell > >>> > >>>> :: > >>>> > >>>>> OSGi Commands (2.3.0) > >>>>>>>>> [ 40] [Active ] [Created ] [ 30] Apache Karaf :: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Features > >>>> > >>>>> :: Management (2.3.0) > >>>>>>>>> [ 41] [Active ] [Created ] [ 30] Apache Karaf :: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Shell > >>> > >>>> :: > >>>> > >>>>> PackageAdmin Commands (2.3.0) > >>>>>>>>> [ 42] [Active ] [ ] [ 30] Apache Aries JMX > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Blueprint > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Core (1.0.1) > >>>>>>>>> [ 43] [Active ] [Created ] [ 30] Apache Karaf :: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Admin > >>> > >>>> :: > >>>> > >>>>> Core (2.3.0) > >>>>>>>>> [ 44] [Active ] [Created ] [ 30] Apache Karaf :: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Deployer > >>>> > >>>>> :: Karaf Archive (.kar) (2.3.0) > >>>>>>>>> [ 45] [Active ] [Created ] [ 30] Apache Karaf :: JAAS > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> :: > >>>> > >>>>> Config (2.3.0) > >>>>>>>>> [ 46] [Active ] [Created ] [ 30] Apache Karaf :: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Shell > >>> > >>>> :: > >>>> > >>>>> ConfigAdmin Commands (2.3.0) > >>>>>>>>> [ 47] [Active ] [Created ] [ 30] Apache Karaf :: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Management > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> :: MBeans :: System (2.3.0) > >>>>>>>>> [ 48] [Active ] [Created ] [ 30] Apache Karaf :: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Management > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> :: MBeans :: Bundles (2.3.0) > >>>>>>>>> [ 49] [Active ] [Created ] [ 30] Apache Karaf :: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Management > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> :: MBeans :: Services (2.3.0) > >>>>>>>>> [ 50] [Active ] [Created ] [ 30] Apache Karaf :: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Management > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> :: MBeans :: Config (2.3.0) > >>>>>>>>> [ 51] [Active ] [Created ] [ 30] Apache Karaf :: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Management > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> :: MBeans :: Log (2.3.0) > >>>>>>>>> [ 52] [Active ] [Created ] [ 30] Apache Karaf :: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Management > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> :: MBeans :: Packages (2.3.0) > >>>>>>>>> [ 53] [Active ] [Created ] [ 30] Apache Karaf :: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Management > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> :: MBeans :: Dev (2.3.0) > >>>>>>>>> [ 54] [Installed ] [ ] [ 80] 2.11-SNAPSHOT > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> (0.0.0) > >>> > >>>> > >>>>>>>>> And the example contains the features.xml in that directory. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> davsclaus:~/workspace/camel/**examples/camel-example-sql$ tar -tf > >>>>>>>>> target/camel-example-sql-2.11-**SNAPSHOT.jar > >>>>>>>>> META-INF/MANIFEST.MF > >>>>>>>>> META-INF/ > >>>>>>>>> META-INF/DEPENDENCIES > >>>>>>>>> META-INF/LICENSE > >>>>>>>>> META-INF/LICENSE.txt > >>>>>>>>> META-INF/NOTICE > >>>>>>>>> META-INF/NOTICE.txt > >>>>>>>>> META-INF/maven/ > >>>>>>>>> META-INF/maven/org.apache.**camel/ > >>>>>>>>> META-INF/maven/org.apache.**camel/camel-example-sql/ > >>>>>>>>> META-INF/maven/org.apache.**camel/camel-example-sql/pom.** > >>>>>>>>> properties > >>>>>>>>> META-INF/maven/org.apache.**camel/camel-example-sql/pom.**xml > >>>>>>>>> META-INF/org/ > >>>>>>>>> META-INF/org/apache/ > >>>>>>>>> META-INF/org/apache/karaf/ > >>>>>>>>> META-INF/org/apache/karaf/**shell/ > >>>>>>>>> META-INF/org/apache/karaf/**shell/features/ > >>>>>>>>> META-INF/org/apache/karaf/**shell/features/features.xml > >>>>>>>>> META-INF/spring/ > >>>>>>>>> META-INF/spring/camel-context.**xml > >>>>>>>>> log4j.properties > >>>>>>>>> org/ > >>>>>>>>> org/apache/ > >>>>>>>>> org/apache/camel/ > >>>>>>>>> org/apache/camel/example/ > >>>>>>>>> org/apache/camel/example/sql/ > >>>>>>>>> org/apache/camel/example/sql/**DatabaseBean.class > >>>>>>>>> org/apache/camel/example/sql/**OrderBean.class > >>>>>>>>> sql.properties > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Achim Nierbeck < > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> [email protected]>wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hi Clause, > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> thanks for summing up what we talked of on IRC :) > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I think it could be even easier. > >>>>>>>>>>> We could add a bundle tracker for features.xml files that will > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> install > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> those with the features service. > >>>>>>>>>>> For this we don't even need a special syntax of the > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> osgi:install > >>> > >>>> url > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> (and actually if you want a url-handler to take control of it > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> you > >>>> > >>>>> need > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> osgi:install features:mvn:xxxx) > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Something like the web-extender of pax-web could be done, and > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> should > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> be > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> quite easy. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> regards, Achim > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> 2013/1/18 Claus Ibsen <[email protected]> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Hi > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> So when people get started with Apache Karaf and Camel (eg > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> not > >>> > >>>> going > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> down the full ESB with SMX) then I would like to make that > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> much > >>>> > >>>>> easier. > >>>>>>>>>>>> For example to tell them how easy you can install some of > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> the > >>> > >>>> examples > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> we provided with Apache Camel > >>>>>>>>>>>> http://camel.apache.org/**examples< > http://camel.apache.org/examples> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Many of these examples have been prepared for OSGi and have > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> embedded > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> features.xml file, so in theory they are ready to install. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Though I could not find a way to install the example in > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Karaf > >>> > >>>> without > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> pain. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> eg I want to do > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> cd apache-karaf-2.3.0 > >>>>>>>>>>>> bin/karaf > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> features:choose camel 2.11.0 > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> // and how to install my example, such as camel-example-sql > >>>>>>>>>>>> ????? > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> The camel features does not contain examples. > >>>>>>>>>>>> And frankly I would like Karaf to be able to install a > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> bundle > >>> > >>>> but > >>>> > >>>>> use > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> the features.xml file that is included in the JAR in the > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> root > >>> > >>>> classpath. (Or some other directory if Karaf has a standard > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> for > >>>> > >>>>> that). > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Maybe I can type, eg notice the :feature in the command > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> osgi:install > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> mvn:feature:org.apache/camel/**camel-example-sql/2.11.0 > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Or some other way to install it. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Then people just need to download Karaf, and they can > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> install > >>> > >>>> Camel > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> and the examples from Maven. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Now I want them to be able to do this for their custom > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> application > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> as > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> well, so they can do > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> osgi:install > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> file:feature:/dev/myproject/**target/myapp-1.0.jar > >>> > >>>> Or something like that. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> So how can we make it easier for people to install and try > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Camel > >>>> > >>>>> examples in vanilla Apache Karaf containers? > >>>>>>>>>>>> And how can we make it easier for people to install their > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> own > >>> > >>>> applications in vanilla Apache Karaf containers, > >>>>>>>>>>>> which uses features.xml file to declare their dependencies. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> And NO they do NOT want to use KAR files or some Karaf > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> specific. > >>>> > >>>>> Their > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> applications should be plain JARs > >>>>>>>>>>>> that can also run outside Karaf as well. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>> Claus Ibsen > >>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------- > >>>>>>>>>>>> Red Hat, Inc. > >>>>>>>>>>>> FuseSource is now part of Red Hat > >>>>>>>>>>>> Email: [email protected] > >>>>>>>>>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com > >>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: davsclaus > >>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://davsclaus.com > >>>>>>>>>>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Apache Karaf <http://karaf.apache.org/> Committer & PMC > >>>>>>>>>>> OPS4J Pax Web <http://wiki.ops4j.org/**display/paxweb/Pax+Web/ > <http://wiki.ops4j.org/display/paxweb/Pax+Web/> > >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Committer & > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Project Lead > >>>>>>>>>>> OPS4J Pax for Vaadin < > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> http://team.ops4j.org/wiki/**display/PAXVAADIN/Home< > http://team.ops4j.org/wiki/display/PAXVAADIN/Home> > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Commiter & Project Lead > >>>>>>>>>>> blog <http://notizblog.nierbeck.de/**> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------ > >>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet > >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------ > >>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/ > >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------ > >>>>>>>>>> FuseSource, Integration everywhere > >>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>> Claus Ibsen > >>>>>>>>> ----------------- > >>>>>>>>> Red Hat, Inc. > >>>>>>>>> FuseSource is now part of Red Hat > >>>>>>>>> Email: [email protected] > >>>>>>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com > >>>>>>>>> Twitter: davsclaus > >>>>>>>>> Blog: http://davsclaus.com > >>>>>>>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>> Claus Ibsen > >>>>>>>> ----------------- > >>>>>>>> Red Hat, Inc. > >>>>>>>> FuseSource is now part of Red Hat > >>>>>>>> Email: [email protected] > >>>>>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com > >>>>>>>> Twitter: davsclaus > >>>>>>>> Blog: http://davsclaus.com > >>>>>>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Charles Moulliard > >>>>>>> Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat) > >>>>>>> Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> ------------------------ > >>>>>> Guillaume Nodet > >>>>>> ------------------------ > >>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/ > >>>>>> ------------------------ > >>>>>> FuseSource, Integration everywhere > >>>>>> http://fusesource.com > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Charles Moulliard > >>>>> Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat) > >>>>> Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Claus Ibsen > >>>> ----------------- > >>>> Red Hat, Inc. > >>>> FuseSource is now part of Red Hat > >>>> Email: [email protected] > >>>> Web: http://fusesource.com > >>>> Twitter: davsclaus > >>>> Blog: http://davsclaus.com > >>>> Author of Camel in Action: http://www.manning.com/ibsen > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Charles Moulliard > >>> Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat) > >>> Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com > >>> > >>> > >> > >> - To be consistant with what we have done, If we can deploy a features > > xml file using a KAR archive then we should be able to do the same thing > > with a bundle. > > > > - I agree on your remark that there is a risk as we cannot easily > > determine if the feature xml files contains a few bundles + configuration > > files OR the full list of camel bundles > > > > > > -- > > Apache Karaf <http://karaf.apache.org/> Committer & PMC > OPS4J Pax Web <http://wiki.ops4j.org/display/paxweb/Pax+Web/> Committer & > Project Lead > OPS4J Pax for Vaadin <http://team.ops4j.org/wiki/display/PAXVAADIN/Home> > Commiter & Project Lead > blog <http://notizblog.nierbeck.de/> > -- Charles Moulliard Apache Committer / Sr. Enterprise Architect (RedHat) Twitter : @cmoulliard | Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com
