Johan, my intention is not to attack anybody (although you¹re free to interpret it that way) but only to tell how I see the REAL intention behind this thread. And thanks for sharing your opinion!
Babak Am 01.12.13 19:10 schrieb "Johan Edstrom" unter <seij...@gmail.com>: >Babak, the good thing about personal opinion and ad-hominem >attacks it that one doesn't have to share them. > >On Dec 1, 2013, at 11:03 AM, Benjamin Graf <benjamin.g...@gmx.net> wrote: > >> Hi >> >> BTW why is hawtio a problem for Camel for political reason? It is yet >>the >> official front end for ActiveMQ. Is this seen different in different >>Apache >> projects??? >> >> Best regards >> Benjamin >> >> On 01.12.2013 17:58, Babak Vahdat wrote: >>> Hi >>> >>> Let me sincerly tell you my personal opinion. To me the vetos both Dan >>>& >>> Hadrian have started in this thread has nothing really technical in it >>>and >>> is just POLITICAL justifications as Talend representatives. >>> >>> Why not let the community benefit from a ASL2 licensed software? >>> >>> @Dan in open source community there is nothing ANYBODY should get the >>> control over because the open source community doesn't need a BOSS as >>>you >>> like to be: >>> >>> >>>http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Getting-closer-with-Java7-tp5692627p57 >>>13781.html >>> >>> If there's any improvement you see just make a pull request like ALL >>>OTHER >>> people in the community, SPECIALLY for: >>> >>> "links popping up and icons and such that promote something else" >>> >>> You did mention about in this thread. BTW where did you exactly spot >>>those >>> icons & pop-ups? >>> >>> Babak >>> >>> >>> dk...@apache.org wrote >>>> On Dec 1, 2013, at 3:46 AM, Rob Davies < >>>> rajdavies@ >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> dkulp@ >>>> wrote >>>>>> Having no way for this PMC to control the display of the Camel route >>>>>> *IS* >>>>>> a technical justification. If we as a PMC wanted to remove >>>>>>columns, >>>>>> add >>>>>> new columns for new features, change the order of stuff, etc. >>>>>>*WE* >>>>>> have >>>>>> no way to do so. >>>>>> >>>>>> Having no way to change the branding of what is displayed *IS* a >>>>>> technical >>>>>> justification. We cannot have links popping up and icons and such >>>>>>that >>>>>> promote something else. >>>>>> >>>>>> Having no way to remove all the ³cruft² that is unrelated to Camel >>>>>>*IS* >>>>>> a >>>>>> technical justification. Claus¹s screen shot on the wiki has an >>>>>> AcitveMQ >>>>>> tab, Wiki tab, etc which would need to be removed if the goal is >>>>>>to >>>>>> have >>>>>> a Camel route display. >>>>>> >>>>>> That¹s all technical justification. This needs to be removed >>>>>>until >>>>>> they >>>>>> can all be addressed. >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh and the maven goal cannot be camel:hawtio. It would need to be >>>>>> camel:run-webconsole or similar to remove the branding part from >>>>>>that as >>>>>> well. >>>>> So any 3rd party tool that aids developers, can't be run as a maven >>>>> target >>>>> unless its completely branded and controlled by the Camel PMC is the >>>>> stance >>>>> you are taking. >>>> If the maven plugin is part of Camel and it¹s stated purpose it to >>>>present >>>> *Camel* to the user, then yes. That BETTER be under the PMC¹s >>>>complete >>>> control and influence. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Daniel Kulp >>>> dkulp@ >>>> - http://dankulp.com/blog >>>> Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: >>>http://camel.465427.n5.nabble.com/Re-git-commit-CAMEL-7023-Added-hawtio- >>>goal-to-camel-maven-plugin-tp5744029p5744136.html >>> Sent from the Camel Development mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> >
