Hi Stefan and devs,

I have set up a zoom link for the TLP tool set intro that will be on in an
hours time (17 April 2019 @ 11:00AM AEST): https://zoom.us/j/272648772

This link is open so if anyone else wishes to join they are welcome to do
so. I will be covering the same topics Jon is covering in his meeting
tomorrow.

Regards,
Anthony


On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 at 08:29, Anthony Grasso <anthony.gra...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Stefan,
>
> Thanks for sending the invite out!
>
> Just wondering what do you think of the idea of having a Zoom meeting that
> anyone can join? This way anyone else interested can join us as well. I can
> set that up if you like?
>
> Cheers,
> Anthony
>
> On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 at 21:24, Stefan Miklosovic <
> stefan.mikloso...@instaclustr.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Anthony,
>>
>> sounds good. I ve sent you Hangouts meeting invitation privately.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 at 14:53, Anthony Grasso <anthony.gra...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Stefan,
>> >
>> > I have been working with Jon on developing the tool set. I can do a Zoom
>> > call tomorrow (Wednesday) at 11am AEST if that works for you? We can go
>> > through all the same information that Jon is going to go through in his
>> > call. Note that I am in the same timezone as you, so if tomorrow
>> morning is
>> > no good we can always do the afternoon.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Anthony
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 at 22:38, Stefan Miklosovic <
>> > stefan.mikloso...@instaclustr.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi Jon,
>> > >
>> > > I would like be on that call too but I am off on Thursday.
>> > >
>> > > I am from Australia so 5pm London time is ours 2am next day so your
>> > > Wednesday morning is my Thursday night. Wednesday early morning so
>> > > your Tuesday morning and London's afternoon would be the best.
>> > >
>> > > Recording the thing would be definitely helpful too.
>> > >
>> > > On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 at 07:45, Jon Haddad <j...@jonhaddad.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > I'd be more than happy to hop on a call next week to give you both
>> > > > (and anyone else interested) a tour of our dev tools.  Maybe
>> something
>> > > > early morning on my end, which should be your evening, could work?
>> > > >
>> > > > I can set up a Zoom conference to get everyone acquainted.  We can
>> > > > record and post it for any who can't make it.
>> > > >
>> > > > I'm thinking Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday morning, 9AM Pacific
>> (5pm
>> > > > London)?  If anyone's interested please reply with what dates work.
>> > > > I'll be sure to post the details back here with the zoom link in
>> case
>> > > > anyone wants to join that didn't get a chance to reply, as well as a
>> > > > link to the recorded call.
>> > > >
>> > > > Jon
>> > > >
>> > > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2019 at 10:41 AM Benedict Elliott Smith
>> > > > <bened...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > +1
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I’m also just as excited to see some standardised workloads and
>> test
>> > > bed.  At the moment we’re benefiting from some large contributors
>> doing
>> > > their own proprietary performance testing, which is super valuable and
>> > > something we’ve lacked before.  But I’m also keen to see some more
>> > > representative workloads that are reproducible by anybody in the
>> community
>> > > take shape.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > On 12 Apr 2019, at 18:09, Aleksey Yeshchenko
>> > > <alek...@apple.com.INVALID> wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Hey Jon,
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > This sounds exciting and pretty useful, thanks.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Looking forward to using tlp-stress for validating 15066
>> performance.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > We should touch base some time next week to pick a
>> comprehensive set
>> > > of workloads and versions, perhaps?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >> On 12 Apr 2019, at 16:34, Jon Haddad <j...@jonhaddad.com>
>> wrote:
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> I don't want to derail the discussion about Stabilizing
>> Internode
>> > > > > >> Messaging, so I'm starting this as a separate thread.  There
>> was a
>> > > > > >> comment that Josh made [1] about doing performance testing
>> with real
>> > > > > >> clusters as well as a lot of microbenchmarks, and I'm 100% in
>> > > support
>> > > > > >> of this.  We've been working on some tooling at TLP for the
>> last
>> > > > > >> several months to make this a lot easier.  One of the goals
>> has been
>> > > > > >> to help improve the 4.0 testing process.
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> The first tool we have is tlp-stress [2].  It's designed with
>> a "get
>> > > > > >> started in 5 minutes" mindset.  My goal was to ship a stress
>> tool
>> > > that
>> > > > > >> ships with real workloads out of the box that can be easily
>> tweaked,
>> > > > > >> similar to how fio allows you to design a disk workload and
>> tweak it
>> > > > > >> with paramaters.  Included are stress workloads that stress
>> LWTs
>> > > (two
>> > > > > >> different types), materialized views, counters, time series,
>> and
>> > > > > >> key-value workloads.  Each workload can be modified easily to
>> change
>> > > > > >> compaction strategies, concurrent operations, number of
>> partitions.
>> > > > > >> We can run workloads for a set number of iterations or a custom
>> > > > > >> duration.  We've used this *extensively* at TLP to help our
>> > > customers
>> > > > > >> and most of our blog posts that discuss performance use it as
>> well.
>> > > > > >> It exports data to both a CSV format and auto sets up
>> prometheus for
>> > > > > >> metrics collection / aggregation.  As an example, we were able
>> to
>> > > > > >> determine that the compression length set on the paxos tables
>> > > imposes
>> > > > > >> a significant overhead when using the Locking LWT workload,
>> which
>> > > > > >> simulates locking and unlocking of rows.  See CASSANDRA-15080
>> for
>> > > > > >> details.
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> We have documentation [3] on the TLP website.
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> The second tool we've been working on is tlp-cluster [4].
>> This tool
>> > > > > >> is designed to help provision AWS instances for the purposes of
>> > > > > >> testing.  To be clear, I don't expect, or want, this tool to
>> be used
>> > > > > >> for production environments.  It's designed to assist with the
>> > > > > >> Cassandra build process by generating deb packages or re-using
>> the
>> > > > > >> ones that have already been uploaded.  Here's a short list of
>> the
>> > > > > >> things you'll care about:
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> 1. Create instances in AWS for Cassandra using any instance
>> size and
>> > > > > >> number of nodes.  Also create tlp-stress instances and a box
>> for
>> > > > > >> monitoring
>> > > > > >> 2. Use any available build of Cassandra, with a quick option to
>> > > change
>> > > > > >> YAML config.  For example: tlp-stress use 3.11.4 -c
>> > > > > >> concurrent_writes:256
>> > > > > >> 3. Do custom builds just by pointing to a local Cassandra git
>> repo.
>> > > > > >> They can be used the same way as #2.
>> > > > > >> 4. tlp-stress is automatically installed on the stress box.
>> > > > > >> 5. Everything's installed with pure bash.  I considered
>> something
>> > > more
>> > > > > >> complex, but since this is for development only, it turns out
>> the
>> > > > > >> simplest tool possible works well and it means it's easily
>> > > > > >> configurable.  Just drop in your own bash script starting with
>> a
>> > > > > >> number in a XX_script_name.sh format and it gets run.
>> > > > > >> 6. The monitoring box is running Prometheus.  It auto scrapes
>> > > > > >> Cassandra using the Instaclustr metrics library.
>> > > > > >> 7. Grafana is also installed automatically.  There's a couple
>> sample
>> > > > > >> graphs there now.  We plan on having better default graphs
>> soon.
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> For the moment it installs java 8 only but that should be
>> easily
>> > > > > >> fixable to use java 11 to test ZGC (it's on my radar).
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> Documentation for tlp-cluster is here [5].
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> There's still some things to work out in the tool, and we've
>> been
>> > > > > >> working hard to smooth out the rough edges.  I still haven't
>> > > announced
>> > > > > >> anything WRT tlp-cluster on the TLP blog, because I don't
>> think it's
>> > > > > >> quite ready for public consumption, but I think the folks on
>> this
>> > > list
>> > > > > >> are smart enough to see the value in it even if it has a few
>> warts
>> > > > > >> still.
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> I don't consider myself familiar enough with the networking
>> patch to
>> > > > > >> give it a full review, but I am qualified to build tools to
>> help
>> > > test
>> > > > > >> it and go through the testing process myself.  From what I can
>> tell
>> > > > > >> the patch is moving the codebase in a positive direction and
>> I'd
>> > > like
>> > > > > >> to help build confidence in it so we can get it merged in.
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> We'll continue to build out and improve the tooling with the
>> goal of
>> > > > > >> making it easier for people to jump into the QA side of things.
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> Jon
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> [1]
>> > >
>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/742009c8a77999f4b62062509f087b670275f827d0c1895bf839eece@%3Cdev.cassandra.apache.org%3E
>> > > > > >> [2] https://github.com/thelastpickle/tlp-stress
>> > > > > >> [3] http://thelastpickle.com/tlp-stress/
>> > > > > >> [4] https://github.com/thelastpickle/tlp-cluster
>> > > > > >> [5] http://thelastpickle.com/tlp-cluster/
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >>
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