I can explain quite a bit of the history of why we are in this situation today if you want but the important question is: Who is willing to donate its operator and the control over its future to the community? - Orange does with CassKop, as soon as we release v1 quite soon. - who else? and when?
Then we can compare the features :) > On 23 Sep 2020, at 15:27, Joshua McKenzie <jmcken...@apache.org> wrote: > >> I think there's significant value to the community in trying to coalesce > on a single approach, > I agree. Unfortunately in this case, the parties with a vested interest and > written operators came to the table and couldn't agree to coalesce on a > single approach. John Sanda attempted to start an initiative to write a > best-of-breed combining choice parts of each operator, but that effort did > not gain traction. > > Which is where my hypothesis comes from that if there were a clear "better > fit" operator to start from we wouldn't be in a deadlock; the correct > choice would be obvious. Reasonably so, every engineer that's written > something is going to want that something to be used and not thrown away in > favor of another something without strong evidence as to why that's the > better choice. > > As far as I know, nobody has made a clear case as to a more compelling > place to start in terms of an operator donation the project then > collaborates on. There's no mass adoption evidence nor feature enumeration > that I know of for any of the approaches anyone's taken, so the discussions > remain stalled. > > > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 7:18 AM, Benedict Elliott Smith <bened...@apache.org >> wrote: > >> I think there's significant value to the community in trying to coalesce >> on a single approach, earlier than later. This is an opportunity to expand >> the number of active organisations involved directly in the Apache >> Cassandra project, as well as to more quickly expand the project's >> functionality into an area we consider urgent and important. I think it >> would be a real shame to waste this opportunity. No doubt it will be hard, >> as organisations have certain built-in investments in their own approaches. >> >> I haven't participated in these calls as I do not consider myself to have >> the relevant experience and expertise, and have other focuses on the >> project. I just wanted to voice a vote in favour of trying to bring the >> different organisations together on a single approach if possible. Is there >> anything the project can do to help this happen? >> >> On 23/09/2020, 03:04, "Ben Bromhead" <b...@instaclustr.com> wrote: >> >> I think there is certainly an appetite to donate and standardise on a >> given operator (as mentioned in this thread). >> >> I personally found the SIG hard to participate in due to time zones and >> the synchronous nature of it. >> >> So while it was a great forum to dive into certain details for a subset of >> participants and a worthwhile endeavour, I wouldn't paint it as an accurate >> reflection of community intent. >> >> I don't think that any participants want to continue down the path of "let >> a thousand flowers bloom". That's why we are looking towards CasKop (as >> well as a number of technical reasons). >> >> Some of the recorded meetings and outputs can also be found if you are >> interested in some primary sources >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CASSANDRA/ >> Cassandra+Kubernetes+Operator+SIG >> . >> >> From what I understand second-hand from talking to people on the SIG >> calls, >> >> there was a general inability to agree on an existing operator as a >> starting point and not much engagement on taking best of breed from the >> various to combine them. Seems to leave us in the "let a thousand flowers >> bloom" stage of letting operators grow in the ecosystem and seeing which >> ones meet the needs of end users before talking about adopting one into the >> foundation. >> >> Great to hear that you folks are joining forces though! Bodes well for C* >> users that are wanting to run things on k8s. >> >> On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 4:26 AM, Ben Bromhead <b...@instaclustr.com> >> wrote: >> >> For what it's worth, a quick update from me: >> >> CassKop now has at least two organisations working on it substantially >> (Orange and Instaclustr) as well as the numerous other contributors. >> >> Internally we will also start pointing others towards CasKop once a few >> things get merged. While we are not yet sunsetting our operator yet, it >> >> is >> >> certainly looking that way. >> >> I'd love to see the community adopt it as a starting point for working >> towards whatever level of functionality is desired. >> >> Cheers >> >> Ben >> >> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 2:37 PM John Sanda <john.sa...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:27 PM Josh McKenzie <jmcken...@apache.org> >> wrote: >> >> There's basically 1 java driver in the C* ecosystem. We have 3? 4? or >> >> more >> >> operators in the ecosystem. Has one of them hit a clear supermajority of >> adoption that makes it the de facto default and makes sense to pull it >> >> into >> >> the project? >> >> We as a project community were pretty slow to move on building a PoV >> >> around >> >> kubernetes so we find ourselves in a situation with a bunch of contenders >> for inclusion in the project. It's not clear to me what heuristics we'd >> >> use >> >> to gauge which one would be the best fit for inclusion outside letting >> community adoption speak. >> >> --- >> Josh McKenzie >> >> We actually talked a good bit on the SIG call earlier today about >> heuristics. We need to document what functionality an operator should >> include at level 0, level 1, etc. We did discuss this a good bit during >> some of the initial SIG meetings, but I guess it wasn't really a focal >> point at the time. I think we should also provide references to existing >> operator projects and possibly other related projects. This would benefit >> both community users as well as people working on these projects. >> >> - John >> >> -- >> >> Ben Bromhead >> >> Instaclustr | www.instaclustr.com | @instaclustr >> <http://twitter.com/instaclustr> | (650) 284 9692 >> >> -- >> >> Ben Bromhead >> >> Instaclustr | www.instaclustr.com | @instaclustr >> <http://twitter.com/instaclustr> | (650) 284 9692 >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To >> unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@cassandra.apache.org For additional >> commands, e-mail: dev-h...@cassandra.apache.org >> _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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