With git you can always opt-out by adding --no-verify flag to either push
or commit

I really prefer separate tasks than flags. Flags are not listed in the help
message like "ant -p" and are not auto-completed in the terminal. That
makes them almost undiscoverable for newcomers.

Want to have jar include checks? Ok, but let's don't run checks
automatically with "build" or "test"



wt., 27 cze 2023 o 18:26 David Capwell <dcapw...@apple.com> napisał(a):

> nobody referred to running checks in a pre-push (or pre-commit) hook
>
>
>
> In accord I added an opt-out for each hook, and will require such here as
> well… as long as you can opt-out, its fine by me… I know I will likely
> opt-out, but wouldn’t block such an effort
>
> Your point that pre-push hook might not be the best one is valid, and we
> should rather think about pre-commit
>
>
> Pre-push is far better than pre-commit, with pre-commit you are forcing a
> style on people…. I for one have many many commits in a single PR, where I
> use commits to not loose track of progress (even if the code doesn’t
> compile), so forcing the build to work would be a -1 from me…. Pre-push at
> least means “you want the world to see this” so makes more sense there…
>
> Again, must have an opt-out
>
> proposed:
> ant jar (just build)
> git commit (run some checks)
>
>
> I am against this, jar should also check and ask users to opt-out if they
> don’t want the checks….
>
> If we go with opt-out i'd like to see one flag that can disable all checks:
> `-Dchecks.skip`
>
>
> Works for me, you can also do the following to disable and not worry about
>
> $ cat <<EOF > build.properties
> checks.skip: true
> EOF
>
> On Jun 27, 2023, at 3:14 AM, Mick Semb Wever <m...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> The context is that we currently have 3 checks in the build:
>
> - Checkstyle,
> - Eclipse-Warnings,
> - RAT
>
>
>
> And dependency-check (owasp).
>
>
>
> I want to discuss whether you are ok with extracting all checks to their
> distinct target and not running it automatically with the targets which
> devs usually run locally. In particular:
>
>
> "build", "jar", and all "test" targets would not trigger CheckStyle, RAT
> or Eclipse-Warnings
> A new target "check" would trigger all CheckStyle, RAT, and
> Eclipse-Warnings
> The new "check" target would be run along with the "artifacts" target on
> Jenkins-CI, and it as a separate build step in CircleCI
>
>
>
> +0 I prefer this opt-in over an opt-out approach.
>
> It should be separated from `artifacts` too.
> We would need to encourage engineers to run `ant check` before
> starting CI and/or requesting review.
>
> I'm in favour of the opt-in approach because it keeps it visible.
> Folks configure flags and it "disappears" forever.  Also it's a
> headache in all the other ant targets where we actually don't want it,
> e.g. tests.
>
> If we go with opt-out i'd like to see one flag that can disable all
> checks: `-Dchecks.skip`
>
>
> That could be fixed by running checks in a pre-push Git hook. There are
> some benefits of this compared to the current behavior:
>
>
>
> -1
> committing and pushing to a personal branch is often done to save work
> or for cross-machine or collaboration. We should not gate on checks or
> compilation here.
>
> PRs should fail if checks fail, to give newcomers clear feedback (and
> to take this nit-picking out of the review process).
>
>
>

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