> Another concern I'd have is > learning/mastering another language (Kotlin). It might be the right path, > ultimately, but still a concern.
This is a real concern. Similar to what we previously discussed about writing the Modeler in JS. At least Kotlin is kinda Java though :) > Would we be "encouraged" to use IntelliJ > (for Kotlin support)? Haven't looked into Eclipse or even VSC support for > Kotlin. Kotlin is big on Android. Android Studio supports it. For non-Android use cases, looks like there are alternatives, but IntelliJ is still the best. As long as they have a non-crippled free Community Edition of IntelliJ, shouldn't be a big deal. Andrus > On Dec 11, 2021, at 4:21 PM, Michael Gentry <blackn...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I've not heard of it before. It seems that Google is kind of the upstream > provider, but Google is known to drop things all the time, too. If that > happened, I wonder what JetBrains would do? Another concern I'd have is > learning/mastering another language (Kotlin). It might be the right path, > ultimately, but still a concern. Would we be "encouraged" to use IntelliJ > (for Kotlin support)? Haven't looked into Eclipse or even VSC support for > Kotlin. > > Looks like it already has native packaging, menu management, etc support: > > https://github.com/JetBrains/compose-jb/blob/master/FEATURES.md#features-currently-available-in-compose-for-desktop > > > Hopefully this wouldn't remain "Experimental" for long: > > https://github.com/JetBrains/compose-jb/raw/master/tutorials/Getting_Started/screen3.png > > > As for JavaFX and Oracle, I'm still confused if they are involved. The > latest release (JavaFX 17, September 2021) still has Oracle on some of the > docs: > > https://openjfx.io/javadoc/17/javafx.fxml/javafx/fxml/doc-files/introduction_to_fxml.html > > https://openjfx.io/javadoc/17/javafx.graphics/javafx/scene/doc-files/cssref.html > > > I also really liked using Scene Builder to create the FXML visually and not > have the UI "code" in the Java code. Compose seems more traditional and > with the UI in the source code. Perhaps I'm just more of a visual person in > that regard, which is another reason why I like using CM to model a DB > instead of annotations or whatnot in code. > > > On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 3:15 AM Andrus Adamchik <aadamc...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> A datapoint to our perennial discussion of technology to use for the >> future CayenneModeler... With Swing being old and crusty, and JavaFX no >> longer supported by Oracle, perhaps we should be looking for something >> fresh. I just came across a new "Compose Multiplatform" desktop UI >> framework by JetBrains [1]. It is programmed in Kotlin and is based on >> Google toolkit for Android. Their GitHub examples [2] are not that visually >> impressive, but I would imagine it is a matter of styling. A million $ >> question is whether it will be around and open source in 10-15 years. >> >> Anyone knows anything about it? >> >> Andrus >> >> [1] https://www.jetbrains.com/lp/compose-mpp/ >> [2] >> https://github.com/JetBrains/compose-jb/blob/master/artwork/readme/apps.png >> >> >>
