I do understand your thoughts on the importance of the issue. The initial impact is very important and a confusing UI can easily turn away potential adopters. That said I wouldn't have a UI issue as a blocker unless it prevented normal use (like not being able to enter text or see labels off screen).
I believe we have shipped with known issues before, I think it would be acceptable to release with the CSS issue as a note. Alex Hitchins +44 7788 423 969 -----Original Message----- From: Sebastien Goasguen [mailto:run...@gmail.com] Sent: 17 January 2014 19:53 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org; Brian Federle Cc: Jessica Wang; Sonny Chhen Subject: Re: UI blocker On Jan 17, 2014, at 1:41 PM, Brian Federle <brian.fede...@citrix.com> wrote: > Sorry, but cosmetic issues are not blockers :) It would only be a blockers if > the functionality were NOT usable in any shape or form, for both testing and > end use. > I disagree, cosmetics i.e look and feel of a new major revision of a software are as important as critical backend features. Because users will look at it, managers, execs...etc, it will be displayed in demos, printed on booths etc....anything that does not look top notch reflects badly on the project and the software. > i.e. -- if the fields were completely missing or garbled in some way, I would > agree that we can classify the bug as blocking release. Looking 'ugly', no -- > I implemented the scrollbars because most times API keys, etc. are usually > very long strings, causing overflow on some browsers and in most usability > cases people are mainly needing to just copy/paste the values into other > fields. It's not the most elegant solution I understand, but this is also a > small facet of the whole UI experience. > Attention to details is important. Personally the new UI is distracting to me, the variation in fonts/font sizes is distracting instead of putting emphasis and focus. There are other things, like 'ovm' still showing up in the add cluster drop down when OVM is not supported in CloudStack, but you are right it's a detail who cares. > I am going to ask everyone to PLEASE respect this when determining priority > on UI bugs -- I know things like this are somewhat ugly, but there are only a > small handful of full-time UI developers working on CloudStack and it makes > our lives harder if everyone is marking trivial stuff as show-stoppers. > This is great, so it can look like crap, as long as it works we release on the first iteration of a major revision. In any case you can remove this as a blocker, it seems I am in minority here, at least I got you to respond on the list and share your thoughts on the subject. As a parting thought though, I don't think that 'everyone is making trivial stuff as show-stoppers', I did not hear many UI blocker bugs lately > At any rate, if you still think this is a blocker, you can feel free to look > into it yourself, in which case write a review request and I'll take a look > at it. > > -Brian > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sebastien Goasguen [mailto:run...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 11:56 AM > To: Brian Federle > Cc: dev@cloudstack.apache.org; Jessica Wang > Subject: Re: UI blocker > > > On Jan 16, 2014, at 2:48 PM, Brian Federle <brian.fede...@citrix.com> wrote: > >>>> Did you happen to check the View Users page ? the api/secret keys display >>>> is being truncated. >> >> Yes, though to fix that I'll have to rework a bit of the detail view layout >> to allow more flexible sizing for long strings. File that as a separate bug >> for the next release and I'll take a look at it. > > No, I will keep that as a blocker. it's worse than the previous UI, feel free > to comment in the bug and grab it. > >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sebastien Goasguen [mailto:run...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 11:17 AM >> To: Brian Federle >> Cc: dev@cloudstack.apache.org; Jessica Wang >> Subject: Re: UI blocker >> >> >> On Jan 16, 2014, at 1:39 PM, Brian Federle <brian.fede...@citrix.com> wrote: >> >>> Don't see any issues in the screenshot you posted. The variation in font >>> size and weight, color, etc. are used to show contrast between content and >>> titles. Sorry but I do not see this as a blocker issue :) Though feel free >>> to tweak the fonts yourself. >>> >> >> It looks strange to me, maybe that's just me. I see too many variations and >> it's disturbing. >> >> Did you happen to check the View Users page ? the api/secret keys display is >> being truncated. >> >>> -Brian >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: sebgoa [mailto:run...@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 1:43 AM >>> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org >>> Cc: Jessica Wang; Brian Federle >>> Subject: UI blocker >>> >>> Hi, after testing 4.3 I entered a blocker due to UI issues: >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CLOUDSTACK-5882 >>> >>> It would be good to discuss, >>> >>> thanks, >>> >>> -Sebastien >> > Need Enterprise Grade Support for Apache CloudStack? Our CloudStack Infrastructure Support<http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-infrastructure-support/> offers the best 24/7 SLA for CloudStack Environments. 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