Were we planning to have another meeting at the same time tomorrow (2014-12-17T17:00Z)? Animesh, can you set up a GTM again?
(Hoping that no-one's going to complain about my date format if I follow ISO 8601). -- Stephen Turner -----Original Message----- From: Animesh Chaturvedi [mailto:animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com] Sent: 11 December 2014 07:23 To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org Cc: Steve Wilson Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process Don’t worry the first meeting went all over and the wiki needs a lot of cleanup and capture of discussion that we had. Stay tuned > -----Original Message----- > From: Rajani Karuturi [mailto:raj...@apache.org] > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 8:48 PM > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > Cc: Steve Wilson > Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process > > Thanks for sharing the notes. Sorry, I couldn't make it this time. > Will definitely plan to join the next meeting. > > ~Rajani > > On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 1:27 AM, Animesh Chaturvedi < > animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com> wrote: > > > Folks > > > > We had good initial session this morning and we have started a > > public wiki [1] to allow us to collaborate. It is a scratch pad for > > start and we all will refine it as we go along. The link to > > recording and the chat log from today's meeting are also referenced in the > > wiki. > > > > [1] > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Quality+and+P > > ro > > cess+Improvement+Initiative > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Animesh Chaturvedi [mailto:animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:05 AM > > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > > > Cc: Steve Wilson > > > Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process > > > > > > The meeting is on ... > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Animesh Chaturvedi [mailto:animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 8:56 PM > > > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > > > > Cc: Steve Wilson > > > > Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process > > > > > > > > Yes I am planning to record the GTM > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Will Stevens [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com] > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 6:59 PM > > > > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > > > > > Cc: Steve Wilson > > > > > Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process > > > > > > > > > > Is it possible to record the meeting? Maybe we can post it so > > > > > others can view it if they are not able to attend (or only > > > > > become interested after the first couple meetings and wants to catch > > > > > up)? > > > > > > > > > > Will > > > > > On Dec 9, 2014 9:52 PM, "Animesh Chaturvedi" > > > > > <animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I can setup a GTM since it is free for Citrix. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here are the details. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Please join my meeting. > > > > > > https://www1.gotomeeting.com/join/285394368 > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. 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Click the link to join this meeting > > > > > > from your iPhone®, iPad® or Android® device via the GoToMeeting app. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Pierre-Luc Dion [mailto:pd...@cloudops.com] > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 11:16 AM > > > > > > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > > > > > > > Cc: Steve Wilson > > > > > > > Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Based on Doodle. Meeting is schedule for Dec 10th, 17h00 UTC. > > > > > > freenode: > > > > > > > #cloudstack-meeting unless someone have a GTM. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Daan Hoogland > > > > > > > <daan.hoogl...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When do we call the result of the doodle? wait for wednesday? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Chip Childers > > > > > > > > <chipchild...@apache.org> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thanks for listening to my concerns folks... and I'll > > > > > > > > > be rooting for > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > > of you that are "doing" to come up with some better > > > > > > > > > practices for the community to adopt! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi < > > > > > > > > > animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Agreed > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > >> > From: williamstev...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > >> > [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Will > > > > > > > > >> > Stevens > > > > > > > > >> > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 2:41 PM > > > > > > > > >> > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > > > > > > > > >> > Cc: Steve Wilson > > > > > > > > >> > Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > I am speaking as a committer who has limited > > > > > > > > >> > insight into the > > > > > > > > 'correct' > > > > > > > > >> way to do > > > > > > > > >> > this via Apache (so be gentle). :) > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > I like the idea of a wiki page to help get everyone > > > > > > > > >> > on the same page > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > >> to track > > > > > > > > >> > the consensus as we move forward... > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > I also agree that it is hard to come to a consensus > > > > > > > > >> > on the list > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > >> it is really > > > > > > > > >> > hard to have a constructive conversation on here in > > > > > > > > >> > a timely manner > > > > > > > > >> where the > > > > > > > > >> > different voices can be heard. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > I think it would be interesting to schedule > > > > > > > > >> > sessions/meetings on the > > > > > > > > >> list so any > > > > > > > > >> > interested party can join. These sessions/meetings > > > > > > > > >> > would happen in a > > > > > > > > >> format > > > > > > > > >> > like IRC where the transcript of the session can be > > > > > > > > >> > later posted to > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > >> list as well > > > > > > > > >> > as a summary of the transcript so it can be > > > > > > > > >> > reviewed by any member who > > > > > > > > >> could > > > > > > > > >> > not make the meeting. This way we keep all of the > > > > > > > > >> > actual conversation > > > > > > > > >> in the > > > > > > > > >> > list, but we also make it easier to actually have a > > > > > > > > >> > 'conversation' at > > > > > > > > >> the same time. > > > > > > > > >> > It is hard to beat real time when working through > > > > > > > > >> > this sort of > > > > > > stuff. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > Does this make sense to others? Thoughts? > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > Will > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > *Will STEVENS* > > > > > > > > >> > Lead Developer > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts > > > > > > > > >> > 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w > > > > > > > > >> > cloudops.com > > > > > > > > >> > *|* tw @CloudOps_ > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi > > > > > > > > >> > < animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > Wearing my PMC hat and with past experience on > > > > > > > > >> > > these discussions we have not made much progress > > > > > > > > >> > > on mailing list despite agreeing on the goals and > > > > > > > > >> > > have locked > > horns. > > > > > > > > >> > > One possibility after reading Chip's email and > > > > > > > > >> > > concerns I see is that, we create a wiki > > > > > > > > >> > > outlining the problem space, possible > > > > > > > > >> > > solution(s) and their specific pros and cons and > > > > > > > > >> > > have people > > > > > > > > >> collaborate. > > > > > > > > >> > > Once a general consensus is there and wiki is > > > > > > > > >> > > stable we can bring it back to the mailing list > > > > > > > > >> > > for final > > approval. > > > > > > > > >> > > This is open as well as requires participant a > > > > > > > > >> > > higher degree of commitment to collaborate > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > >> > > will be more structured. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > Thanks > > > > > > > > >> > > Animesh > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Chip Childers > > > > > > > > >> > > > <chipchild...@apache.org> > > > > > > > > >> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Steve, > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > (Speaking with my PMC hat on, but not as > > > > > > > > >> > > > > someone that has the > > > > > > > > time > > > > > > > > >> > > > > to help with this process) > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > I love the idea of moving forward with > > > > > > > > >> > > > > resolving some of the quality process / tooling / > > > > > > > > >> > > > > etc... > > > > > > > > >> > > > > challenges that we face as a project and community. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > I also love the idea that companies > > > > > > > > getting > > > > > > > > >> > > > > commercial value from this project are > > > > > > > > >> > > > > talking (as > > > > > > > > >> > > > > companies) about how to best support the > > > > > > > > >> > > > > project through either directing their > > > > > > > > >> > > > > employees to work on this problem, allowing > > > > > > > > >> > > > > those > > > > > > > > interested > > > > > > > > >> > > > > the time to do so, and / or offering (as > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Citrix > > > > > > > > >> > > > > did) required hardware/software resources to > > > > > > > > >> > > > > make improvements for the common good. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Importantly, I like that the companies > > > > > > > > >> > > > > involved are mutually agreeing that this is > > > > > > > > >> > > > > for > > > > > > the > > > > > > > common good. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > That said, I have a concern about the outline > > > > > > > > >> > > > > below, > > > > > > > > specifically > > > > > > > > >> > > > > in how the definition of approach and > > > > > > > > >> > > > > eventual execution are > > > > > > > > >> handled. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > The proposal of taking this off-list until > > > > > > > > >> > > > > there is a "proposal > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > >> > > ratify" > > > > > > > > >> > > > > is what I'd like to see changed. I would > > > > > > > > >> > > > > fully expect that a fleshed out proposal > > > > > > > > >> > > > > hitting the list would be met with more > > > > > > > > >> > > > > discussion than you would like (and perhaps > > > > > > > > >> > > > > even met with > > > > > > > > >> frustration). > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > What has worked well for us in the past, > > > > > > > > >> > > > > where there is a need > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > >> > > > > have those interested in "doing work" to be > > > > > > > > >> > > > > able to focus on > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > >> > > > > work, has been to start with a call for > > > > > > > > >> > > > > interested parties (as > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > >> > > > > did). Then, using a combination of threads on > > > > > > > > >> > > > > this list and > > > > > > > > "live" > > > > > > > > >> > > > > meetings, make progress on defining the > > > > > > > > >> > > > > requirements and > > > > > > > > approach > > > > > > > > >> > incrementally. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Execution of any work should similarly be > > > > > > > > >> > > > > open and shared on > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > >> list. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Throughout that process, allowing comments > > > > > > > > >> > > > > and openings for participants are critical. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > One of the things we learned about using "live" > > > > > > > > >> > > > > meetings to > > > > > > > > speed > > > > > > > > >> > > > > up the consensus process in the past is to > > > > > > > > >> > > > > make sure that while they are fantastic at > > > > > > > > >> > > > > allowing the participants to understand > > > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > >> > > > > other, it's critical to remember that (1) > > > > > > > > >> > > > > there are no project decisions made outside > > > > > > > > >> > > > > of the mailing lists and > > > > > > > > >> > > > > (2) that it's important to have minutes or > > > > > > > > >> > > > > notes from those live meetings > > > > > > > > shared > > > > > > > > >> > > > > with the community as > > > > > > > > >> > > a > > > > > > > > >> > > > whole. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Now a very real concern that some of us have > > > > > > > > >> > > > > is getting bogged down in arguments based on > > > > > > > > >> > > > > opinion, especially the > > > > > > "drive > > > > > > > by" > > > > > > > > >> > > > > opinions. This issue (plus challenges with > > > > > > > > >> > > > > people violently agreeing with each other, > > > > > > > > >> > > > > yet talking past each other), is what > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > >> > > > > believe has held up meaningful progress. To > > > > > > > > >> > > > > deal with this, I suggest we all remember > > > > > > > > >> > > > > that projects at the ASF are about supporting > > > > > > > > >> > > > > those that "DO", while giving opportunity for > > > > > > > > >> > > > > participation and comment from those that > > > > > > > > >> > > > > might not currently be "DOING". But those > > > > > > > > >> > > > > that are doing the work, and collaborating to > > > > > > > > >> > > > > reach a shared goal, shouldn't let a lack of > > > > > > > > >> > > > > 100% consensus on > > > > > > > > >> every > > > > > > > > >> > aspect hold back progress. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > As someone who will not be "doing" anything > > > > > > > > >> > > > > for this effort, but has an interest in > > > > > > > > >> > > > > maintaining this community's health and > > > > > > > > seeing > > > > > > > > >> > > > > it continue to succeed, I hope my suggestions > > > > > > > > >> > > > > and comments are > > > > > > > > >> helpful. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > -chip > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 07:12:27PM +0000, > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Steve Wilson > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> Hi Everyone, > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> It was great to get to see a number of you > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> at the recent CCC in > > > > > > > > >> > > Budapest. > > > > > > > > >> > > > While I was there, I got to meet face to face > > > > > > > > >> > > > with individuals working > > > > > > > > >> > > for several > > > > > > > > >> > > > companies that have a real stake in the > > > > > > > > >> > > > commercial success of the > > > > > > > > >> > > CloudStack > > > > > > > > >> > > > project. > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> After joining Citrix (and becoming involved > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> in > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> CloudStack) > > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> a > > > > > > > > >> > > year ago, > > > > > > > > >> > > > I’ve come to believe that we need to do more to > > > > > > > > >> > > > mature our quality > > > > > > > > >> > > practices > > > > > > > > >> > > > around this codebase. We all like to say > > > > > > > > >> > > > #cloudstackworks (and > > > > > > > > it’s > > > > > > > > >> > > true), but > > > > > > > > >> > > > this is a massive codebase that’s used in the > > > > > > > > >> > > > most demanding > > > > > > > > >> > > situations. We > > > > > > > > >> > > > have large telecommunications companies and > > > > > > > > >> > > > enterprises who are betting > > > > > > > > >> > > their > > > > > > > > >> > > > businesses on this software. It has to be great! > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> There has been quite a bit of discussion on > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> the mailing list in > > > > > > > > >> > > recent months > > > > > > > > >> > > > about how we improve in this area. There is > > > > > > > > >> > > > plenty of passion, > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > >> > > > we > > > > > > > > >> > > haven’t > > > > > > > > >> > > > made enough concrete progress as a community. > > > > > > > > >> > > > In my discussions with key contributors as CCC, > > > > > > > > >> > > > there was general agreement that the DEV list > > > > > > > > >> > > > isn’t > > > > > > > > >> > > a good > > > > > > > > >> > > > forum for hashing out these kinds of things. > > > > > > > > >> > > > Email is too low-bandwidth > > > > > > > > >> > > and too > > > > > > > > >> > > > impersonal. > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> At CCC, I discussed with several people the > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> idea that we commission a > > > > > > > > >> > > small > > > > > > > > >> > > > sub team to go hash out a proposal for how we > > > > > > > > >> > > > handle the following topics within the ACS > > > > > > > > >> > > > community (which can then be brought back to > > > > > > > > >> > > > the larger community for > > > > ratification): > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> * Continuous integration and test automation > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> * Gating of commits > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> * Overall commit workflow > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> We are looking for volunteers to commit to > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> being part of this > > > > > > > > >> team. > > > > > > > > >> > > This > > > > > > > > >> > > > would imply a serious commitment. We don’t > > > > > > > > >> > > > want hangers on or > > > > > > > > >> observers. > > > > > > > > >> > > > This will entail real work and late night meetings. > > > > > > > > >> > > > We’re looking for > > > > > > > > >> > > people who > > > > > > > > >> > > > are serious contributors to the codebase. > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> From Citrix, David Nalley and Animesh > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> Chaturvedi have booth > > > > > > > > told > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> me > > > > > > > > >> > > they’re > > > > > > > > >> > > > willing to commit to this project. They’ve > > > > > > > > >> > > > both managed ACS releases > > > > > > > > >> > > and have > > > > > > > > >> > > > a really good view into the current process — > > > > > > > > >> > > > and I know both are > > > > > > > > >> > > passionate > > > > > > > > >> > > > about improving our process. From my CCC > > > > > > > > >> > > > discussions, I believe there > > > > > > > > >> > > are > > > > > > > > >> > > > individuals from Schuberg Philis, Shape Blue > > > > > > > > >> > > > and Cloud Ops who are > > > > > > > > >> > > willing to > > > > > > > > >> > > > commit to this process. > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> If you are willing to be part of this team > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> to drive forward our > > > > > > > > >> > > community, > > > > > > > > >> > > > please reply here. > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> Thanks, > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> -Steve > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> Steve Wilson VP & Product Unit Manager Cloud > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> Software Citrix @virtualsteve > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > -- > > > > > > > > >> > > > Daan > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Daan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
