please all have a look at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/gate+requirements to review my homework;)
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Stephen Turner <stephen.tur...@citrix.com> wrote: > 17:00 - 18:00 GMT, right? > > -- > Stephen Turner > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Animesh Chaturvedi [mailto:animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com] > Sent: 07 January 2015 06:04 > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org > Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process > > We can use the following GTM for tomorrow's session > > > 1. Please join my meeting. > https://www1.gotomeeting.com/join/411279368 > > 2. Use your microphone and speakers (VoIP) - a headset is recommended. Or, > call in using your telephone. > > United States: +1 (571) 317-3129 > Argentina (toll-free): 0 800 266 1382 > Australia (toll-free): 1 800 193 385 > Australia: +61 2 8355 1020 > Austria (toll-free): 0 800 202148 > Austria: +43 (0) 7 2088 1047 > Bahrain (toll-free): 800 81 111 > Belarus (toll-free): 8 820 0011 0214 > Belgium (toll-free): 0 800 81385 > Belgium: +32 (0) 28 08 4368 > Brazil (toll-free): 0 800 047 4906 > Bulgaria (toll-free): 00800 120 4417 > Canada (toll-free): 1 888 455 1389 > Canada: +1 (647) 497-9353 > Chile (toll-free): 800 395 150 > China (toll-free): 4008 811084 > Colombia (toll-free): 01 800 012 9054 > Czech Republic (toll-free): 800 500448 > Denmark (toll-free): 8090 1924 > Denmark: +45 (0) 69 91 89 28 > Finland (toll-free): 0 800 94507 > Finland: +358 (0) 942 59 7850 > France (toll-free): 0 805 541 047 > France: +33 (0) 170 950 594 > Germany (toll-free): 0 800 184 4222 > Germany: +49 (0) 692 5736 7317 > Greece (toll-free): 00 800 4414 3838 > Hong Kong (toll-free): 30713169 > Hungary (toll-free): (06) 80 986 255 > Iceland (toll-free): 800 9869 > India (toll-free): 000 800 100 7855 > Indonesia (toll-free): 007 803 011 0395 > Ireland (toll-free): 1 800 946 538 > Ireland: +353 (0) 19 030 010 > Israel (toll-free): 1 809 212 875 > Italy (toll-free): 800 906959 > Italy: +39 0 247 92 13 01 > Japan (toll-free): 0 120 663 800 > Korea, Republic of (toll-free): 0806150880 Luxembourg (toll-free): 800 22104 > Malaysia (toll-free): 1 800 81 6851 Mexico (toll-free): 01 800 925 0372 > Netherlands (toll-free): 0 800 265 8469 > Netherlands: +31 (0) 208 080 219 > New Zealand (toll-free): 0 800 47 0011 > New Zealand: +64 (0) 9 280 6302 > Norway (toll-free): 800 69 046 > Norway: +47 75 80 32 07 > Panama (toll-free): 00 800 226 8832 > Peru (toll-free): 0 800 54682 > Philippines (toll-free): 1 800 1651 0716 Poland (toll-free): 00 800 1213979 > Portugal (toll-free): 800 784 461 Romania (toll-free): 0 800 410 029 Russian > Federation (toll-free): 810 800 29674011 Saudi Arabia (toll-free): 800 844 > 3633 Singapore (toll-free): 800 101 2992 South Africa (toll-free): 0 800 983 > 867 Spain (toll-free): 800 900 582 > Spain: +34 911 82 9906 > Sweden (toll-free): 020 980 772 > Sweden: +46 (0) 852 500 186 > Switzerland (toll-free): 0 800 740 393 > Switzerland: +41 (0) 435 0167 13 > Taiwan (toll-free): 0 800 666 854 > Thailand (toll-free): 001 800 658 131 > Turkey (toll-free): 00 800 4488 23683 > Ukraine (toll-free): 0 800 50 0641 > United Arab Emirates (toll-free): 800 044 40439 United Kingdom (toll-free): 0 > 808 168 0229 United Kingdom: +44 (0) 330 221 0088 United States (toll-free): > 1 877 309 2073 Uruguay (toll-free): 000 413 598 4110 Viet Nam (toll-free): > 120 32 153 > > Access Code: 411-279-368 > Audio PIN: Shown after joining the meeting > > Meeting ID: 411-279-368 > > GoToMeeting® > Online Meetings Made Easy® > > Not at your computer? Click the link to join this meeting from your iPhone®, > iPad® or Android® device via the GoToMeeting app. > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Stephen Turner [mailto:stephen.tur...@citrix.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:41 AM >> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org >> Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process >> >> I've set up a GTM for this meeting. >> >> 1. Please join my meeting. >> https://www1.gotomeeting.com/join/759444232 >> >> 2. Use your microphone and speakers (VoIP) - a headset is >> recommended. Or, call in using your telephone. >> >> United States: +1 (646) 749-3129 >> Argentina (toll-free): 0 800 266 1382 >> Australia (toll-free): 1 800 193 385 >> Australia: +61 2 8355 1020 >> Austria (toll-free): 0 800 202148 >> Austria: +43 (0) 7 2088 1047 >> Bahrain (toll-free): 800 81 111 >> Belarus (toll-free): 8 820 0011 0214 >> Belgium (toll-free): 0 800 26116 >> Belgium: +32 (0) 28 08 4368 >> Brazil (toll-free): 0 800 047 4906 >> Bulgaria (toll-free): 00800 120 4417 >> Canada (toll-free): 1 888 455 1389 >> Canada: +1 (647) 497-9353 >> Chile (toll-free): 800 395 150 >> China (toll-free): 4008 811084 >> Colombia (toll-free): 01 800 012 9054 >> Czech Republic (toll-free): 800 500448 Denmark (toll-free): 8090 1924 >> Denmark: +45 (0) 69 91 89 28 >> Finland (toll-free): 0 800 94507 >> Finland: +358 (0) 942 59 7850 >> France (toll-free): 0 805 541 047 >> France: +33 (0) 170 950 594 >> Germany (toll-free): 0 800 723 5270 >> Germany: +49 (0) 692 5736 7317 >> Greece (toll-free): 00 800 4414 3838 >> Hong Kong (toll-free): 30713169 >> Hungary (toll-free): (06) 80 986 255 >> Iceland (toll-free): 800 9869 >> India (toll-free): 000 800 100 7855 >> Indonesia (toll-free): 007 803 011 0395 Ireland (toll-free): 1 800 946 >> 538 >> Ireland: +353 (0) 19 030 010 >> Israel (toll-free): 1 809 212 875 >> Italy (toll-free): 800 793887 >> Italy: +39 0 247 92 13 01 >> Japan (toll-free): 0 120 663 800 >> Korea, Republic of (toll-free): 0806150880 Luxembourg (toll-free): 800 >> 22104 Malaysia (toll-free): 1 800 81 6851 Mexico (toll-free): 01 800 >> 925 0372 Netherlands (toll-free): 0 800 020 0182 >> Netherlands: +31 (0) 208 080 219 >> New Zealand (toll-free): 0 800 47 0011 New Zealand: +64 (0) 9 280 6302 >> Norway (toll-free): 800 69 046 >> Norway: +47 75 80 32 07 >> Panama (toll-free): 00 800 226 8832 >> Peru (toll-free): 0 800 54682 >> Philippines (toll-free): 1 800 1651 0716 Poland (toll-free): 00 800 >> 1213979 Portugal (toll-free): 800 784 461 Romania (toll-free): 0 800 >> 410 029 Russian Federation (toll-free): 810 800 29674011 Saudi Arabia >> (toll-free): 800 844 3633 Singapore (toll-free): 800 101 2992 South >> Africa (toll-free): 0 800 983 867 Spain >> (toll-free): 800 900 582 >> Spain: +34 911 82 9906 >> Sweden (toll-free): 020 980 772 >> Sweden: +46 (0) 852 500 186 >> Switzerland (toll-free): 0 800 740 393 >> Switzerland: +41 (0) 435 0167 13 >> Taiwan (toll-free): 0 800 666 854 >> Thailand (toll-free): 001 800 658 131 >> Turkey (toll-free): 00 800 4488 23683 >> Ukraine (toll-free): 0 800 50 0641 >> United Arab Emirates (toll-free): 800 044 40439 United Kingdom >> (toll-free): 0 >> 808 168 0229 United Kingdom: +44 (0) 20 7151 1853 United States >> (toll-free): 1 >> 877 309 2073 Uruguay (toll-free): 000 413 598 4110 Viet Nam >> (toll-free): 120 32 >> 153 >> >> Access Code: 759-444-232 >> Audio PIN: Shown after joining the meeting >> >> Meeting ID: 759-444-232 >> >> GoToMeeting® >> Online Meetings Made Easy® >> >> Not at your computer? Click the link to join this meeting from your >> iPhone®, iPad® or Android® device via the GoToMeeting app. >> >> >> -- >> Stephen Turner >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Stephen Turner [mailto:stephen.tur...@citrix.com] >> Sent: 16 December 2014 13:03 >> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org >> Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process >> >> Were we planning to have another meeting at the same time tomorrow >> (2014- 12-17T17:00Z)? Animesh, can you set up a GTM again? >> >> (Hoping that no-one's going to complain about my date format if I >> follow ISO 8601). >> >> -- >> Stephen Turner >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Animesh Chaturvedi [mailto:animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com] >> Sent: 11 December 2014 07:23 >> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org >> Cc: Steve Wilson >> Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process >> >> Don’t worry the first meeting went all over and the wiki needs a lot >> of cleanup and capture of discussion that we had. Stay tuned >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Rajani Karuturi [mailto:raj...@apache.org] >> > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 8:48 PM >> > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org >> > Cc: Steve Wilson >> > Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process >> > >> > Thanks for sharing the notes. Sorry, I couldn't make it this time. >> > Will definitely plan to join the next meeting. >> > >> > ~Rajani >> > >> > On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 1:27 AM, Animesh Chaturvedi < >> > animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com> wrote: >> > >> > > Folks >> > > >> > > We had good initial session this morning and we have started a >> > > public wiki [1] to allow us to collaborate. It is a scratch pad >> > > for start and we all will refine it as we go along. The link to >> > > recording and the chat log from today's meeting are also >> > > referenced in the >> wiki. >> > > >> > > [1] >> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/CLOUDSTACK/Quality+and >> > > +P >> > > ro >> > > cess+Improvement+Initiative >> > > >> > > >> > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > From: Animesh Chaturvedi [mailto:animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com] >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:05 AM >> > > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org >> > > > Cc: Steve Wilson >> > > > Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process >> > > > >> > > > The meeting is on ... >> > > > >> > > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > > From: Animesh Chaturvedi >> > > > > [mailto:animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com] >> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 8:56 PM >> > > > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org >> > > > > Cc: Steve Wilson >> > > > > Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process >> > > > > >> > > > > Yes I am planning to record the GTM >> > > > > >> > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > > > From: Will Stevens [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com] >> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 6:59 PM >> > > > > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org >> > > > > > Cc: Steve Wilson >> > > > > > Subject: RE: CloudStack Quality Process >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Is it possible to record the meeting? Maybe we can post it >> > > > > > so others can view it if they are not able to attend (or >> > > > > > only become interested after the first couple meetings and >> > > > > > wants to catch >> up)? >> > > > > > >> > > > > > Will >> > > > > > On Dec 9, 2014 9:52 PM, "Animesh Chaturvedi" >> > > > > > <animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com> >> > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I can setup a GTM since it is free for Citrix. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Here are the details. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > 1. Please join my meeting. >> > > > > > > https://www1.gotomeeting.com/join/285394368 >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > 2. Use your microphone and speakers (VoIP) - a headset is >> > > recommended. >> > > > > > > Or, call in using your telephone. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > United States: +1 (213) 493-0008 Argentina (toll-free): 0 >> > > > > > > 800 >> > > > > > > 444 2385 Australia (toll-free): 1 800 >> > > > > > > 191 358 >> > > > > > > Australia: +61 2 9091 7603 Austria (toll-free): 0 800 >> > > > > > > 080061 >> > > > > > > Austria: +43 (0) 7 2088 0716 Bahrain (toll-free): 800 81 >> > > > > > > 305 Belarus (toll-free): 8 820 >> > > > > > > 0011 0331 Belgium (toll-free): 0 800 >> > > > > > > 81388 >> > > > > > > Belgium: +32 (0) 28 08 4372 Brazil (toll-free): 0 800 047 >> > > > > > > 4909 Bulgaria (toll-free): >> > > > > > > 00800 >> > > > > > > 120 >> > > > > > > 4413 Canada (toll-free): 1 877 777 >> > > > > > > 3281 >> > > > > > > Canada: +1 (647) 497-9380 >> > > > > > > Chile (toll-free): 800 395 146 China (toll-free): 4008 >> > > > > > > 866154 Colombia (toll-free): 01 800 012 9057 Czech >> > > > > > > Republic (toll- >> free): >> > > > > > > 800 500453 Denmark (toll-free): 8025 0919 >> > > > > > > Denmark: +45 (0) 69 91 84 58 Finland (toll-free): 0 800 >> > > > > > > 94473 >> > > > > > > Finland: +358 (0) 931 58 1773 France (toll-free): 0 805 >> > > > > > > 541 >> > > > > > > 052 >> > > > > > > France: +33 (0) 170 950 590 Germany (toll-free): 0 800 184 >> > > > > > > 4230 >> > > > > > > Germany: +49 (0) 692 5736 7300 Greece (toll-free): 00 800 >> > > > > > > 4414 >> > > > > > > 4282 Hong Kong (toll-free): >> > > > > > > 30774812 Hungary (toll-free): (06) 80 986 259 Iceland >> > > > > > > (toll-free): >> > > > > > > 800 9993 India (toll-free): 000 800 100 8227 Indonesia >> > > > > > > (toll-free): 001 803 >> > > > > > > 020 2563 Ireland (toll-free): 1 800 818 >> > > > > > > 263 >> > > > > > > Ireland: +353 (0) 15 133 006 Israel (toll-free): 1 809 388 >> > > > > > > 020 Italy (toll-free): 800 >> > > > > > > 792289 >> > > > > > > Italy: +39 0 699 26 68 65 >> > > > > > > Japan (toll-free): 0 120 242 200 Korea, Republic of >> > > > > > > (toll-free): 0806180880 Luxembourg (toll-free): >> > > > > > > 800 >> > > > > > > 81016 Malaysia (toll-free): 1 800 81 6860 Mexico (toll-free): >> > > > > > > 01 >> > > > > > > 800 >> > > > > > > 123 8367 Netherlands (toll-free): 0 800 020 0178 >> > > > > > > Netherlands: +31 (0) 208 080 759 New Zealand (toll-free): >> > > > > > > 0 >> > > > > > > 800 47 0051 New Zealand: +64 (0) 9 974 >> > > > > > > 9579 Norway (toll-free): 800 69 055 >> > > > > > > Norway: +47 21 04 30 59 >> > > > > > > Panama (toll-free): 001 800 507 2789 Peru (toll-free): 0 >> > > > > > > 800 >> > > > > > > 55253 Philippines (toll-free): 1 800 1110 1565 Poland >> > > > > > > (toll-free): 00 >> > > > > > > 800 >> > > > > > > 3211434 Portugal (toll-free): 800 180 139 Romania (toll-free): >> > > > > > > 0 >> > > > > > > 800 >> > > > > > > 410 025 Russian Federation (toll-free): 8 800 100 6914 >> > > > > > > Saudi Arabia >> > > > > > > (toll-free): 800 844 3636 Singapore (toll-free): 800 101 >> > > > > > > 3000 South Africa (toll-free): 0 800 555 451 Spain >> > > > > > > (toll-free): 800 >> > > > > > > 900 >> > > > > > > 593 >> > > > > > > Spain: +34 931 76 1534 >> > > > > > > Sweden (toll-free): 020 794 545 >> > > > > > > Sweden: +46 (0) 852 500 691 Switzerland (toll-free): 0 800 >> > > > > > > 000 452 >> > > > > > > Switzerland: +41 (0) 435 0026 89 Taiwan (toll-free): 0 800 >> > > > > > > 666 >> > > > > > > 846 Thailand (toll-free): 001 800 852 2442 Turkey (toll-free): >> > > > > > > 00 800 >> > > > > > > 4488 >> > > > > > > 29001 Ukraine (toll-free): 0 800 50 4691 United Arab >> > > > > > > Emirates >> > > > > > > (toll-free): 800 044 40444 United Kingdom (toll-free): 0 >> > > > > > > 808 >> > > > > > > 168 >> > > > > > > 0209 United Kingdom: +44 (0) 20 7151 1817 United States >> > > (toll-free): >> > > > > > > 1 877 >> > > > > > > 309 2070 Uruguay (toll-free): 000 405 4459 Viet Nam (toll-free): >> > > > > > > 120 >> > > > > > > 32 148 >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Access Code: 285-394-368 >> > > > > > > Audio PIN: Shown after joining the meeting >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Meeting ID: 285-394-368 >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > GoToMeeting® >> > > > > > > Online Meetings Made Easy® >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Not at your computer? Click the link to join this meeting >> > > > > > > from your iPhone®, iPad® or Android® device via the >> > > > > > > GoToMeeting >> app. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- >> > > > > > > > From: Pierre-Luc Dion [mailto:pd...@cloudops.com] >> > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 11:16 AM >> > > > > > > > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org >> > > > > > > > Cc: Steve Wilson >> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Based on Doodle. Meeting is schedule for Dec 10th, 17h00 UTC. >> > > > > > > freenode: >> > > > > > > > #cloudstack-meeting unless someone have a GTM. >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards, >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Daan Hoogland >> > > > > > > > <daan.hoogl...@gmail.com> >> > > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > When do we call the result of the doodle? wait for wednesday? >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 5:46 PM, Chip Childers >> > > > > > > > > <chipchild...@apache.org> >> > > > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for listening to my concerns folks... and >> > > > > > > > > > I'll be rooting for >> > > > > > > > > those >> > > > > > > > > > of you that are "doing" to come up with some better >> > > > > > > > > > practices for the community to adopt! >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Animesh Chaturvedi < >> > > > > > > > > > animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com> wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Agreed >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > > > > > > > > >> > From: williamstev...@gmail.com >> > > > > > > > > >> > [mailto:williamstev...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of >> > > > > > > > > >> > Will Stevens >> > > > > > > > > >> > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 2:41 PM >> > > > > > > > > >> > To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org >> > > > > > > > > >> > Cc: Steve Wilson >> > > > > > > > > >> > Subject: Re: CloudStack Quality Process >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > I am speaking as a committer who has limited >> > > > > > > > > >> > insight into the >> > > > > > > > > 'correct' >> > > > > > > > > >> way to do >> > > > > > > > > >> > this via Apache (so be gentle). :) >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > I like the idea of a wiki page to help get >> > > > > > > > > >> > everyone on the same page >> > > > > > > > > and >> > > > > > > > > >> to track >> > > > > > > > > >> > the consensus as we move forward... >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > I also agree that it is hard to come to a >> > > > > > > > > >> > consensus on the list >> > > > > > > > > because >> > > > > > > > > >> it is really >> > > > > > > > > >> > hard to have a constructive conversation on here >> > > > > > > > > >> > in a timely manner >> > > > > > > > > >> where the >> > > > > > > > > >> > different voices can be heard. >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > I think it would be interesting to schedule >> > > > > > > > > >> > sessions/meetings on the >> > > > > > > > > >> list so any >> > > > > > > > > >> > interested party can join. These >> > > > > > > > > >> > sessions/meetings would happen in a >> > > > > > > > > >> format >> > > > > > > > > >> > like IRC where the transcript of the session can >> > > > > > > > > >> > be later posted to >> > > > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > >> list as well >> > > > > > > > > >> > as a summary of the transcript so it can be >> > > > > > > > > >> > reviewed by any member who >> > > > > > > > > >> could >> > > > > > > > > >> > not make the meeting. This way we keep all of >> > > > > > > > > >> > the actual conversation >> > > > > > > > > >> in the >> > > > > > > > > >> > list, but we also make it easier to actually have >> > > > > > > > > >> > a 'conversation' at >> > > > > > > > > >> the same time. >> > > > > > > > > >> > It is hard to beat real time when working through >> > > > > > > > > >> > this sort of >> > > > > > > stuff. >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Does this make sense to others? Thoughts? >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Will >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > *Will STEVENS* >> > > > > > > > > >> > Lead Developer >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > *CloudOps* *| *Cloud Solutions Experts >> > > > > > > > > >> > 420 rue Guy *|* Montreal *|* Quebec *|* H3J 1S6 w >> > > > > > > > > >> > cloudops.com >> > > > > > > > > >> > *|* tw @CloudOps_ >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 5:17 PM, Animesh >> > > > > > > > > >> > Chaturvedi < animesh.chaturv...@citrix.com> wrote: >> > > > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > Wearing my PMC hat and with past experience on >> > > > > > > > > >> > > these discussions we have not made much >> > > > > > > > > >> > > progress on mailing list despite agreeing on >> > > > > > > > > >> > > the goals and have locked >> > > horns. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > One possibility after reading Chip's email and >> > > > > > > > > >> > > concerns I see is that, we create a wiki >> > > > > > > > > >> > > outlining the problem space, possible >> > > > > > > > > >> > > solution(s) and their specific pros and cons >> > > > > > > > > >> > > and have people >> > > > > > > > > >> collaborate. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > Once a general consensus is there and wiki is >> > > > > > > > > >> > > stable we can bring it back to the mailing list >> > > > > > > > > >> > > for final >> > > approval. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > This is open as well as requires participant a >> > > > > > > > > >> > > higher degree of commitment to collaborate >> > > > > > > > > and >> > > > > > > > > >> > > will be more structured. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > Thanks >> > > > > > > > > >> > > Animesh >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Chip Childers >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > <chipchild...@apache.org> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Steve, >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > (Speaking with my PMC hat on, but not as >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > someone that has the >> > > > > > > > > time >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > to help with this process) >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > I love the idea of moving forward with >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > resolving some of the quality process / tooling / >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > etc... >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > challenges that we face as a project and >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > community. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > I also love the idea that companies >> > > > > > > > > getting >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > commercial value from this project are >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > talking (as >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > companies) about how to best support the >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > project through either directing their >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > employees to work on this problem, allowing >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > those >> > > > > > > > > interested >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > the time to do so, and / or offering (as >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Citrix >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > did) required hardware/software resources >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > to make improvements for the common good. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Importantly, I like that the companies >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > involved are mutually agreeing that this is >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > for >> > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > common good. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > That said, I have a concern about the >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > outline below, >> > > > > > > > > specifically >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > in how the definition of approach and >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > eventual execution are >> > > > > > > > > >> handled. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > The proposal of taking this off-list until >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > there is a "proposal >> > > > > > > > > to >> > > > > > > > > >> > > ratify" >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > is what I'd like to see changed. I would >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > fully expect that a fleshed out proposal >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > hitting the list would be met with more >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > discussion than you would like (and perhaps >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > even met with >> > > > > > > > > >> frustration). >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > What has worked well for us in the past, >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > where there is a need >> > > > > > > > > to >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > have those interested in "doing work" to be >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > able to focus on >> > > > > > > > > that >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > work, has been to start with a call for >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > interested parties (as >> > > > > > > > > you >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > did). Then, using a combination of threads >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > on this list and >> > > > > > > > > "live" >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > meetings, make progress on defining the >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > requirements and >> > > > > > > > > approach >> > > > > > > > > >> > incrementally. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Execution of any work should similarly be >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > open and shared on >> > > > > > > > > this >> > > > > > > > > >> list. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Throughout that process, allowing comments >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > and openings for participants are critical. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > One of the things we learned about using "live" >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > meetings to >> > > > > > > > > speed >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > up the consensus process in the past is to >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > make sure that while they are fantastic at >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > allowing the participants to understand >> > > > > > > > > each >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > other, it's critical to remember that (1) >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > there are no project decisions made outside >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > of the mailing lists and >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > (2) that it's important to have minutes or >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > notes from those live meetings >> > > > > > > > > shared >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > with the community as >> > > > > > > > > >> > > a >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > whole. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Now a very real concern that some of us >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > have is getting bogged down in arguments >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > based on opinion, especially the >> > > > > > > "drive >> > > > > > > > by" >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > opinions. This issue (plus challenges with >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > people violently agreeing with each other, >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > yet talking past each other), is what >> > > > > > > > > I >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > believe has held up meaningful progress. To >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > deal with this, I suggest we all remember >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > that projects at the ASF are about >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > supporting those that "DO", while giving >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > opportunity for participation and comment >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > from those that might not currently be >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > "DOING". But those that are doing the work, >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > and collaborating to reach a shared goal, >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > shouldn't let a lack of 100% consensus on >> > > > > > > > > >> every >> > > > > > > > > >> > aspect hold back progress. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > As someone who will not be "doing" anything >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > for this effort, but has an interest in >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > maintaining this community's health and >> > > > > > > > > seeing >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > it continue to succeed, I hope my >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > suggestions and comments are >> > > > > > > > > >> helpful. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > -chip >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > On Mon, Dec 01, 2014 at 07:12:27PM +0000, >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > Steve Wilson >> > > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> Hi Everyone, >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> It was great to get to see a number of you >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> at the recent CCC in >> > > > > > > > > >> > > Budapest. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > While I was there, I got to meet face to face >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > with individuals working >> > > > > > > > > >> > > for several >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > companies that have a real stake in the >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > commercial success of the >> > > > > > > > > >> > > CloudStack >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > project. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> After joining Citrix (and becoming >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> involved in >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> CloudStack) >> > > > > > > > > about >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> a >> > > > > > > > > >> > > year ago, >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > I’ve come to believe that we need to do more >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > to mature our quality >> > > > > > > > > >> > > practices >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > around this codebase. We all like to say >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > #cloudstackworks (and >> > > > > > > > > it’s >> > > > > > > > > >> > > true), but >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > this is a massive codebase that’s used in the >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > most demanding >> > > > > > > > > >> > > situations. We >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > have large telecommunications companies and >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > enterprises who are betting >> > > > > > > > > >> > > their >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > businesses on this software. It has to be great! >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> There has been quite a bit of discussion >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> on the mailing list in >> > > > > > > > > >> > > recent months >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > about how we improve in this area. There is >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > plenty of passion, >> > > > > > > > > but >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > we >> > > > > > > > > >> > > haven’t >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > made enough concrete progress as a community. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > In my discussions with key contributors as >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > CCC, there was general agreement that the DEV >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > list isn’t >> > > > > > > > > >> > > a good >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > forum for hashing out these kinds of things. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Email is too low-bandwidth >> > > > > > > > > >> > > and too >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > impersonal. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> At CCC, I discussed with several people >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> the idea that we commission a >> > > > > > > > > >> > > small >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > sub team to go hash out a proposal for how we >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > handle the following topics within the ACS >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > community (which can then be brought back to >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > the larger community for >> > > > > ratification): >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> * Continuous integration and test automation >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> * Gating of commits >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> * Overall commit workflow >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> We are looking for volunteers to commit to >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> being part of this >> > > > > > > > > >> team. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > This >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > would imply a serious commitment. We don’t >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > want hangers on or >> > > > > > > > > >> observers. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > This will entail real work and late night meetings. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > We’re looking for >> > > > > > > > > >> > > people who >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > are serious contributors to the codebase. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> From Citrix, David Nalley and Animesh >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> Chaturvedi have booth >> > > > > > > > > told >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> me >> > > > > > > > > >> > > they’re >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > willing to commit to this project. They’ve >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > both managed ACS releases >> > > > > > > > > >> > > and have >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > a really good view into the current process — >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > and I know both are >> > > > > > > > > >> > > passionate >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > about improving our process. From my CCC >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > discussions, I believe there >> > > > > > > > > >> > > are >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > individuals from Schuberg Philis, Shape Blue >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > and Cloud Ops who are >> > > > > > > > > >> > > willing to >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > commit to this process. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> If you are willing to be part of this team >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> to drive forward our >> > > > > > > > > >> > > community, >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > please reply here. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> Thanks, >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> -Steve >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> Steve Wilson VP & Product Unit Manager >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> Cloud Software Citrix @virtualsteve >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > Daan >> > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > -- >> > > > > > > > > Daan >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > -- Daan
