@nux „Might be then worth going for supporting "EL8" and by that include any of Rocky, Alma, OtherClone etc.“
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I'm hoping this kind of problems disappear in time as the machine gets "oiled" better. What I wanted to underline is that the situation is sort of like this: Updates -> QA -> Stream -> RHEL Might be then worth going for supporting "EL8" and by that include any of Rocky, Alma, OtherClone etc. On 2021-06-23 19:03, Nathan McGarvey wrote: > Nux, > Overall, I agree that it should be possible to use any other clone > as they should be binary compatible. > > I don't quite understand your "pass through QA" and "basically RHEL > packages" comment. There are already instances of breaking changes in > CentOS 8 Stream that didn't make it into RHEL or CentOS non-stream. > CentOS Stream is the only one where you *don't* know exactly what you > are getting since it is no longer downstream of RHEL: > > > Just one example: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1911827 > > > RHEL 8 versions published (at least that I could find on their errata > pages) > gdm-3.28.3-34.el8.x86_64.rpm <-- not broken > gdm-3.28.3-39.el8.x86_64.rpm <-- not broken > > > > CentOS 8 (not stream) versions line up with RHEL as expected: > gdm-3.28.3-34.el8.src.rpm 2020-09-17 17:27 <-- not broken > gdm-3.28.3-39.el8.src.rpm 2021-01-28 22:09 <-- not broken > > > > CentOS 8 Stream versions (hard to track down since all mirrors wipe > previous versions now, but this is what I gathered): > > gdm-3.28.3-34.el8.x86_64.rpm 18-Sep-2020 00:27 <-- not broken > gdm-3.28.3-35.el8.x86_64.rpm 02-Dec-2020 23:33 <-- breaking change > gdm-3.28.3-37.el8.x86_64.rpm 21-Jan-2021 22:55 <-- broken still > gdm-3.28.3-39.el8.x86_64.rpm 29-Jan-2021 05:09 <-- fixed (via a > reverted change) > > > Even in this single example, there was a 2-month period where CentOS > 8 Stream had a regression and both RHEL and CentOS did not and they > skipped the broken versions entirely. > > > The lag is bad for feature updates and version updates, but really > good for stability and knowing what you're getting since you are > literally building from the same source and won't have instances of > reverted commits like the one above. > > > Thanks, > -Nathan McGarvey > > > On 6/23/21 8:13 AM, n...@li.nux.ro wrote: >> Nathan, >> >> So with Stream you'll be getting basically RHEL packages, after they >> pass through QA and before it lands in actual RHEL. >> In fact, it's only with CentOS that you know exactly what you are >> getting. The clones will undoubtedly lag behind at various times, just >> like old CentOS did. >> >> However, this needn't be a problem, if all works as planned, you >> should >> be able to use RockyLinux or any other clone's packages on CentOS >> Stream, since they should be binary compatible. >> >> >> >> On 2021-06-22 18:50, Nathan McGarvey wrote: >>> CentOS Stream could be fine or a disaster, and it is hard to tell: >>> "a >>> rolling preview of future RHEL kernels and features." as the RedHat >>> CTO >>> said seems to imply cloudstack might run into a lot more issues due >>> to >>> the squishy nature of kernel releases, kvm/libvirt, etc. I don't >>> think >>> it will be unusable, but it will be hard to say what is supported. >>> (E.g. >>> what version is "Centos 8 Stream"? Stuff can change out from under >>> you >>> pretty quickly in that paradigm. Even rolling distros like Debian >>> have >>> point releases.
