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> von Berin Loritsch
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 27. Mai 2004 15:58
> An: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Betreff: Re: AW: [RT] Logging in Cocoon
>
>

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> > which abstraction exactly? the Logger interface is more or less the same
> > when compared to logkit's Logger.
>
> The Avalon approach--only because of the lack of dynamic setup/
> configuration.  It is all completely explicit.

I agree and I have nothing against logkit, I've been using it all the time
(through cocoon).

>
> >>What's wrong with commons logging?  Nothing if you have a standalone
> >>application.  However, it uses classpath discovery to determine if
> >>you have LogKit, Log4J, JDK 1.4 logging, and where the logging
> >
> > it can use classpath discovery, but it can also be explicitly configured
> > IIRC.
>
> Perhaps that came out of his constant urging.  As long as it can be
> configured explicitly I have no problems.  However, black magic should
> be avoided if at all possible.
>
> >>I don't have all the links right now, but suffice it to say that
> >>Commons Logging uses black magic to set everything up at startup.
> >
> > as mentioned it can use 'black magic' but it doesn't depend on it.
>
> As long as we don't use the black magic, I am fine.  Building on sand
> is bad, as we all know.

I totally agree and I think that the configuration (which implementation,
implementation's config, etc.) is the core issue.

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