On 22 Jul 2004, at 21:52, Sylvain Wallez wrote:
My opinion is that what refrains us to move is that the container
contract is deeply engraved in every component in our code base.
Whatever solution we choose, we must take greate care to hide as much as
possible the chosen container in the lower levels layers of the Cocoon
system. Higher level layers, those hosting user-written components,
should be POJOs, using whatever IoC type 2/3 container best suits our needs.
Now what should be that container? I share your fears about "foreign" containers. Avalon already did much harm, and it is inside the ASF.
(playing the ball, not the man, as always shooting in diverse directions)
I've been skimreading several megabytes of rather diverse ASF mailing lists upon my return from a bliss-like holiday, and I cannot refrain myself from thinking that the term "Avalon harm" is being coined these days as some sort of "see?" argument in a whole lot of discussions, but most of the time not related at all to technical matters (compared with Ugo's and other folks' purely technical interest in Spring).
I'm the King of Pet Peeves, but I think we shouldn't let every single discussion evolve into a "what the ASF thinks is good for itself == its users", which becomes patronizing very fast. Folks have vested opinions about component containers, but that shouldn't make them afraid to witness the evident opportunity of a from-scratch rewrite, with a shortcut path by using an outside component framework rather than thinking we need something very special. I hope Ugo and his sorry job situation endure in many more nice RTs. :-)
I for myself think these kind of discussions might finally evolve into a real future of Cocoon... while the community is great at always, we have been wrestling with a code/installed base that frightens people to contribute anything but minor tweaks and patches, and frankly, we haven't been very innovative at all in the post-flow era - tossing the blocks ball around as if we all hope that somebody else is interested enough to tackle it instead.
Besides, I think we should be modest and prudent in our judgement of outside-ASF OSS projects. I had my share of live Spring advocacy in the past few months, and they seem to be bright and nice folks IMHO.
Please mind that my state of mind is definitely bliss-like ATM - blame it on the French sun.
</Steven> -- Steven Noels http://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source Java & XML An Orixo Member Read my weblog at http://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/ stevenn at outerthought.org stevenn at apache.org
