Hunsberger, Peter wrote:

> Maybe I'm
just too optimistic in believing there should be container
implementations mature enough for Cocoon to depend on?

What *really* bothers me about this thread is the fact that very few seem to realize that "maturity" for dependencies means "stability of the contract and stability of the community".

Avalon is dead.

Excalibur is asleep.

Spring is outside the ASF.

Geronimo is still incubating.

Can you see the pattern?

History should teach people not to repeat the same mistakes again... but hey, what do I know, I've only been around here for 7 years.

--
Stefano.


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