On 03 Oct 2005, at 16:29, Jorg Heymans wrote:
Upayavira wrote:
"m2 archetype:create -DarchetypeGroupId=cocoon-archetypes
-DarchetypeArtifactId=cforms-hibernate" -Dversion2.1.9"
And then you stick a pretty UI in front of that, because that command
is
likely to frighten the willies out of any Cocoon newbie! :-)
yes, anything that makes above command not look like kernel makefile
output will do.
IMHO, eye candy, blocks-I'll-commit-rather-than-shepherd-myself and
featuritis without proper consideration and restraint is what is
"killing Cocoon". Much of this could be tackled by divorcing the core
from the (figuratively speaking) crap, hard and fast. The good stuff
will remain, the not-so-supported stuff will fall apart and fade into
dust.
Now, in an environment where every committer/consultant worries about
his own private customers and their JDK version numbers, I wonder if
and when this will ever take off. In an environment where consultants
expect the project to care for the fact they try to make money on the
project, reality becomes warped.
If more people would have build products on top of Cocoon rather than
do projects, I'm sure we might have been somewhere already. Now, Cocoon
is that much of a moving and intangible target that, as an application
developer, one really has a hard time justifying a pro-choice, except
if one knows Cocoon (i.e. its good bits) really, really well. And then
he won't use Cocoon as a product or platform, but rather as a bag of
code he feels comfortable with.
More bait: my first reply contained quotes as "leadership, ESR,
Suicidalism, being too kind for one another". Or as my SO would typify:
"Do you want an apple or a pear?" "Can I have both? I don't want to
choose, let alone make someone unhappy." "Duh!"
I'll be in Amsterdam tomorrow evening, ready to catch some flack. As
always, my style idiom is targeted towards apologistic behaviour
afterwards, and with the very best intentions. And I believe this kind
of mails will be sent to the Spring and Rails-lists in about a year or
so as well.
I'll finish in Baz Luhrmann-style:
Do one thing, and do it really well.
Focus, and don't look back
to be satisfied with what you done,
but try hard to become better
than you already think you are.
:-)
</Steven>
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