On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:37 PM, Matt Benson <mben...@apache.org> wrote:

> In practice it is most likely that a user of the 1.1 version of the
> Antlib (firstly, doesn't exist, but if they did) would see no effect
> because Ant's own classes are loaded in the parent CL of the Antlib's
> CL, therefore the Ant classes, correctly, would not be used. While the
> jar is technically not BC, there was never any intent for those
> classes to be included (this only happened because the clirr report
> wasn't smart enough to handle provided dependencies and therefore
> couldn't be run to compare 1.1 to 1.0). The only way there could be a
> problem is if the user ran the entire Ant process from the 1.1
> cw-antlib jar, which would take some doing, and which certainly should
> not IMO be considered a supported use case. And since the release
> process is so onerous, I don't think we really have to worry about any
> newer Commons component picking up enough traction for any changes to
> affect any users of any type, ever. :P However, since releases cannot
> be vetoed and Phil and Romain have made viable suggestions as to how
> to handle this, my inclination is to conclude this vote as having
> passed.
>

This is all great information. If I were RM, I would update the release
notes (and the site where appropriate) and re-spin the RC.

Gary


>
> Matt
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Did I misread that the 1.1 jar included shaded code from other jars?
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:02 PM, Phil Steitz <phil.ste...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> On 1/25/16 3:57 PM, Gary Gregory wrote:
> >> > But the binaries are not BC. Even if that was a silly mistake, the
> >> release
> >> > notes must note the break in BC.
> >>
> >> I may have misunderstood what Matt said, but IIUC there is no actual
> >> BC break.  Could any applications break as a result of what Clirr is
> >> reporting?
> >>
> >> Phil
> >> >
> >> > Gary
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Romain Manni-Bucau <
> >> rmannibu...@gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> +1, weaver is for now mainly an internal for other asf projects -
> which
> >> are
> >> >> BTW blocked by this vote - and the binaries are fine. The site can be
> >> fixed
> >> >> anyway when pushed to no reason to hold this release.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Romain Manni-Bucau
> >> >> @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> |  Blog
> >> >> <http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github <
> >> >> https://github.com/rmannibucau> |
> >> >> LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> | Tomitriber
> >> >> <http://www.tomitribe.com>
> >> >>
> >> >> 2016-01-25 23:19 GMT+01:00 Phil Steitz <phil.ste...@gmail.com>:
> >> >>
> >> >>> On 1/25/16 1:30 PM, Gary Gregory wrote:
> >> >>>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 7:47 AM, Matt Benson <mben...@apache.org>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>>>> On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 9:37 PM, Gary Gregory <
> >> garydgreg...@gmail.com
> >> >>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>> On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Gary Gregory <
> >> >> garydgreg...@gmail.com>
> >> >>>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Antlib's Clirr report has a lot of errors:
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>
> >>
> https://people.apache.org/~mbenson/commons-weaver-1.2-rc2/commons-weaver-parent/commons-weaver-antlib/clirr-report.html
> >> >>>>>>> This is not documented in the release notes.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> I am not -1'ing this but it needs an explanation.
> >> >>>>> Thanks for catching this. However, I am at a loss except to say
> that,
> >> >>>>> largely, these results are incorrect. The various classes
> belonging
> >> to
> >> >>>>> the org.apache.tools.* namespace  are Ant classes that were
> >> >>>>> accidentally shaded in with the 1.1 release (Ant artifacts had to
> be
> >> >>>>> promoted to compile scope so that clirr could even run), so their
> >> >>>>> removal was deliberate--I'm sure I don't need to explain why our
> >> >>>>> Antlib shouldn't bundle Ant's own classes. Several more claimed
> >> >>>>> removals are of classes that were shaded in from commons-lang3 and
> >> >>>>> Geronimo's xbean-finder libraries. I expect that these are
> incorrect
> >> >>>>> anyway, but as they don't truly constitute part of the public API
> of
> >> >>>>> the Antlib I would argue that they are immaterial here as long as
> the
> >> >>>>> integration tests succeed, which they do. The remaining claimed
> >> >>>>> removals are of classes shaded from the commons-weaver-processor
> >> >>>>> artifact; I have verified that all the classes named remain in the
> >> jar
> >> >>>>> so I have no idea why the report would generate false positives.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> With that information in hand, where do you now stand on this,
> Gary?
> >> >>>> This needs to be explained clearly in the release notes. Like Sebb
> >> >> said,
> >> >>>> there might be other places to document this as well.
> >> >>> I don't see the site bundled with the release, unless I am missing
> >> >>> it somewhere.  We release software, not websites.  I see no reason
> >> >>> to clutter the release notes about false positives in maven reports
> >> >>> not included with the release.  I would say fix whatever it is
> >> >>> before republishing the site and move on.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Phil
> >> >>>> Gary
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> Matt
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Gary
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Gary
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Matt Benson <
> mben...@apache.org>
> >> >>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>> I would like to release the [weaver] component.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Apache Commons Weaver 1.2 RC2 is available for review at:
> >> >>>>>>>>   https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/commons/weaver/
> >> (r11994).
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Maven artifacts are at:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>
> >>
> https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachecommons-1141
> >> >>>>>>>> .
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Tested with Oracle JDKs 6, 7 and 8; IBM JDKs 6 and 7.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> The Subversion tag is:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/commons/proper/weaver/tags/1.2_RC2/
> >> >>>>>>>> (r1726007
> >> >>>>>>>> <
> >> >>
> >>
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/commons/proper/weaver/tags/1.2_RC2/(r1726007
> >> >>>>>>>> ).
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Site (note some links may be broken; this will be fixed when
> the
> >> >> site
> >> >>>>>>>> is deployed):
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>> http://people.apache.org/~mbenson/commons-weaver-1.2-rc2/index.html
> >> >>>>>>>> RAT Report:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>
> >>
> http://people.apache.org/~mbenson/commons-weaver-1.2-rc2/rat-report.html
> >> >>>>>>>> Quality Reports (CLIRR/PMD/Checkstyle/Findbugs):
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>
> >>
> http://people.apache.org/~mbenson/commons-weaver-1.2-rc2/commons-weaver-parent/commons-weaver-processor/project-reports.html
> >> >>
> >>
> http://people.apache.org/~mbenson/commons-weaver-1.2-rc2/commons-weaver-parent/commons-weaver-modules-parent/commons-weaver-privilizer-parent/commons-weaver-privilizer-api/project-reports.html
> >> >>
> >>
> http://people.apache.org/~mbenson/commons-weaver-1.2-rc2/commons-weaver-parent/commons-weaver-modules-parent/commons-weaver-privilizer-parent/commons-weaver-privilizer/project-reports.html
> >> >>
> >>
> http://people.apache.org/~mbenson/commons-weaver-1.2-rc2/commons-weaver-parent/commons-weaver-modules-parent/commons-weaver-normalizer/project-reports.html
> >> >>
> >>
> http://people.apache.org/~mbenson/commons-weaver-1.2-rc2/commons-weaver-parent/commons-weaver-maven-plugin/project-reports.html
> >> >>
> >>
> http://people.apache.org/~mbenson/commons-weaver-1.2-rc2/commons-weaver-parent/commons-weaver-antlib/project-reports.html
> >> >>>>>>>> Keys: https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/commons/KEYS
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> Please review the release candidate and vote.
> >> >>>>>>>>   This vote will close no sooner than 72 hours from now, i.e.
> >> after
> >> >>>>>>>> 1900UTC 24-January 2016
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>   [ ] +1 Release these artifacts
> >> >>>>>>>>   [ ] +0 OK, but...
> >> >>>>>>>>   [ ] -0 OK, but really should fix...
> >> >>>>>>>>   [ ] -1 I oppose this release because...
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>   Thanks!
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