> On Jun 13, 2016, at 4:29 AM, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 13 June 2016 at 03:06, Rob Tompkins <chtom...@gmail.com> wrote: >> With all of that said, then I'm a: +1 (binding). > > AIUI this is a Common vote, as such only PMC member votes are > considered binding. > However you don't appear to be listed as a PMC member?
Agreed, I am not a PMC member, so you will have to pardon my naivety there with my attempt to vote. That said, I am willing to stand behind the project with Gilles in whatever stead is needed. All the best, -Rob > >> -Rob >> >>> On Jun 12, 2016, at 9:27 PM, Niall Pemberton <niall.pember...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 2:10 AM, Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Procedurally speaking, I see no reason for this community to hold any >>>> vote at all. >>>> >>>> If a small group of people, including a foundation member or two, >>>> wants to ask the board to establish a TLP, they may, by writing a >>>> coherent proposal to the board explaining the situation. The board >>>> might ask for a filled-in incubator proposal as input to their >>>> deliberations. >>>> >>>> Or, of they wish to go into the incubator to try to build a viable >>>> community that will get TLP status in time, they can write an >>>> incubator proposal. >>>> >>>> The board or IPMC might wonder about the state of affairs here when >>>> they receive one of these proposals, but it's hardly a matter that >>>> calls for a formal vote here. >>> >>> Yes, I agree, but the discussion to gather those people together needs to >>> take place somewhere and since here its been framed as a vote, then it >>> would be good if those people who want to participate in a TLP effort would >>> do so in this thread. >>> >>> Niall >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 8:30 PM, Niall Pemberton >>> <niall.pember...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 11:08 PM, Gilles <gil...@harfang.homelinux.org> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> On Sun, 12 Jun 2016 14:33:58 -0700, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> -1 (non-binding) >>>>>> >>>>>> Reason for objection: >>>>>> >>>>>> I think the framing of this vote is confusing. >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. There appears to be less ability to go to TLP than there was at >>>>>> the time the previous motion passed. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. The discussion (but not the [VOTE]) speaks of going to TLP via >>>>>> the incubator. It has to be one or the other. Propose a podling to >>>>>> Incubator or propose a TLP to the Board. There is no assurance that a >>>>>> podling will graduate and it doesn't fit to make that a condition. >>>>>> One could raise the special circumstances at general-incubator, but I >>>>>> think that works best with something specific (but malleable) in hand. >>>>>> >>>>>> 3. The Incubator is reluctant to start podlings from scratch, as >>>>>> Niall observes. >>>>> >>>>> Could you please expand on how 3 Commons PMC members and 3 would-be >>>>> contributors are assimilated to "scratch"? >>>> >>>> It would be good if all those wanting to be part of a Math TLP could >>>> indicate that here and cast a vote for a Math TLP. Including yourself >>>> Gilles, since so far I don't remember seeing whether you that you were in >>>> favour of this. >>>> >>>> Niall >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Gilles >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 4. It seems to me that the best first-step on whether incubation is >>>>>> feasible is to do the work to create an incubation proposal. This >>>>>> will require certain key factors to be addressed. Not the least is >>>>>> how the code base will be imported and, because it is from an Apache >>>>>> Project, how it will be left behind too. That definition can start >>>>>> here and then be refined on the general-incubator list where one will >>>>>> need to find a champion (perhaps), mentors, and a sufficient body of >>>>>> initial committers. It is important for those who would form the >>>>>> initial core for a podling to learn enough about how incubation works. >>>>>> >>>>>> - Dennis >>>>>> >>>>>> Disclosure: >>>>>> >>>>>> I have no idea how this might go. I am not a Commons Math >>>>>> subject-matter expert, even though computational mathematics has some >>>>>> appeal for me. I still have my bound "Collect Algorithms from ACM, >>>>>> Volume 1: Algorithms 1-220." I did not hold onto the microfiche of >>>>>> later algorithms that were published in conjunction with the ACM >>>>>> Transactions on Mathematical Software (TOMS). The latest (Algorithm >>>>>> 959) is interesting although I have no idea where to find the code and >>>>>> am dismayed that it is a library under the GPL. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Niall Pemberton [mailto:niall.pember...@gmail.com] >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2016 11:56 >>>>>>> To: Commons Developers List <dev@commons.apache.org> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move Commons Math to TLP (again)... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 10:39 AM, James Carman >>>>>>> <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We would take math through the incubator in order to build community >>>>>>> around >>>>>>>> it first. If we fail to do so, then we can decide its fate at that >>>>>>> time. We >>>>>>>> haven't done a good job attracting new people to math here at all. It >>>>>>> has >>>>>>>> always been maintained primarily by a select few. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It made sense to me when there were 6 committers working on Math, but I >>>>>>> think given the exodus of most of those people to hipparchus then it >>>>>>> would >>>>>>> be better to wait a while for the dust to settle to see what happens >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> Math. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I also don't think the incubator is a good place for starting a >>>>>>> community >>>>>>> from scratch (i.e. one or two man projects) - if you have a nucleus of >>>>>>> at >>>>>>> least a few people, then it has much better chance of success. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So for me, I'm -1 unless there are enough Mathematicians who want to >>>>>>> work >>>>>>> on the code to give it a chance as an incubator project. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Niall >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 1:36 AM Ralph Goers >>>>>>> <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -1 (binding) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> At least until there are enough people to have a viable PMC. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ralph >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jun 10, 2016, at 8:47 PM, James Carman >>>>>>> <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Since it has been suggested that the previously passing vote >>>>>>> should be >>>>>>>>>> voided, I propose we vote again to move Commons Math to a TLP: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> +1 - Yes, move Commons Math to a TLP >>>>>>>>>> -1 - No, do not move Commons Math to a TLP >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The vote will remain open for 72 hours. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> James Carman >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@commons.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@commons.apache.org
