+1000.
I joined the commons list only because I wanted to listen to BCEL project.

Kind regards,
Andrey Loskutov

http://google.com/+AndreyLoskutov


> Gesendet: Freitag, 24. Juni 2016 um 11:35 Uhr
> Von: "Jochen Wiedmann" <jochen.wiedm...@gmail.com>
> An: "Apache Commons Developers List" <dev@commons.apache.org>
> Betreff: [all] Rethinking dev@
>
> Hi,
> 
> given the last weeks, I'd like us to rethink how we work together.
> Right now, there is basically only a single place for discussions, and
> decisions, which is dev@commons. Okay, we are a common ASF project (no
> pun intended), and we need a place to meet, but aren't we
> overempasizing things a bit?
> 
> Honestly, I don't care about how many, and what branches [math]
> maintains, and how the source tree is organized. I'd clearly like the
> [math] developers to organize those things for themselves. And, I'd
> like them to decide on their own, what, and how many deliverables they
> create. (Doesn't matter, how many people are "them".)
> 
> In other words: I wonder (once again), that we should be able to grant
> components a bigger degree of autonomy. For example: Why shouldn't
> [math], or [crypto], have an additional mailing list. Can you imagine,
> how much noise this would have  removed from dev@ over the last weeks?
> 
> Okay, I can see that our old odel is working for [io], [fileupload],
> or [compress]. But I am not convinced, that this shoe is fitting for
> all.
> 
> And, don't bother telling me about "It didn't work for Jakarta",
> because it does work: The Incubator has general@ as a meeting place,
> and a place for decisions, but the components can still work on their
> own. We really need a distinction between topics that are for anyone
> and others, that are not. Just using "[all]", or something else in the
> subject doesn't scale.
> 
> Jochen
> 
> -- 
> The next time you hear: "Don't reinvent the wheel!"
> 
> http://www.keystonedevelopment.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/evolution-of-the-wheel-300x85.jpg
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