On 27 November 2016 at 23:51, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 3:41 PM, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 27 November 2016 at 22:31, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 2:14 PM, sebb <seb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 27 November 2016 at 22:03, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> > These annotations are the SAME as have been published all over the
>> place,
>> >> > so I do not think we need a PR for review. Reviewing the code in the
>> repo
>> >> > should be enough, but I'm not sure _what_ there is to review really.
>> I've
>> >> > already posted a link to the sources (a pastebin link). I'll create a
>> >> Jira
>> >> > of course.
>> >>
>> >> There is one aspect that needs review: does the annotation belong in
>> LANG?
>> >> If we want to use the annotation in other components, do they have to
>> >> depend on LANG?
>> >>
>> >
>> > No see below and previous messages.
>> >
>> >
>> >> If not, do they all have their own copies?
>> >>
>> >
>> > No.
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> And what happens when LANG needs a non-BC release?
>> >>
>> >
>> > What is the issue I am missing?
>> >
>>
>> The package name for the annotation might need to change
>> That would be a downstream nuisance.
>>
>
> Hi All,
>
> How is that different than changing the package name for any of our other
> lang types?

It's not.

> If you want move a package, you have to break BC and we have clear
> guidelines for that task.

But why should I have to change package imports for annotations just
because they happen to be in LANG?

Note that this could get confusing.

Say XYZ component starts out only needing lang for the annotations.
So they include LANG 3.x and code the annotations.

Later they find they want LANG 4.x for runtime.
They would then need to drop the LANG 3.x dependency, fix up all the
annotation imports etc.
Unnecessary work if the annotations were in a separate component.

Also, any tool that wants to check the annotations will have to look
for them in lots of packages.

Whilst it can no doubt be made to work, it's going to cause problems later.

> Since already have a package called org.apache.commons.lang3.concurrent, I
> propose we place these annottaions in
> org.apache.commons.lang3.concurrent.annotation.
>
>
>> >>
>> >> My expectation for such annotations is that they would be
>> >> self-contained (or built-in to the languange, not LANG).
>> >>
>> >
>> > It is _because_ they are NOT built-in the language or JRE that we are
>> > proposing they belong in [lang].
>> >
>> > Since we are providing the annotation with CLASS retention only
>> > (initially), there is no hard dependency on [lang] at runtime.
>> >
>> > Is there some subtlety we are missing?
>>
>> Yes, the compile-time dependency.
>>
>
> No surprise, right? You can't use an annotation without compiling the
> source file.
>
>
>> AFAIK it's not possible to have a Maven compile-only dependency;
>> compile-time implies run-time.
>>
>
> That's a tooling issue of course which should not invalidate the worthiness
> of this feature.
>
> If I am a downstream user of Commons Lang's new annotations, I would need a
> Maven scope that says "I need [lang] as a compile time only dependency" I
> do not see such a scope on
> https://maven.apache.org/guides/introduction/introduction-to-dependency-mechanism.html#Dependency_Scope
>
> Time for a Jira!
>
> I wonder what Gradle offers users in this dept.?
>
> Gary
>
>
>>
>> > Gary
>> >
>> >
>> >> > Gary
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sun, Nov 27, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Benedikt Ritter <brit...@apache.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Hi,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> schrieb am So., 27. Nov. 2016
>> um
>> >> >> 21:01 Uhr:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > So let's start with the CLASS retention annotations first. I'll
>> commit
>> >> >> > later today.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Maybe create a GitHub PR so people can have a look before it goes to
>> >> >> master?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Benedikt
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Gary
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Nov 27, 2016 9:50 AM, "Matt Sicker" <boa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > > I feel like documenting thread safety in such a low level, widely
>> >> used
>> >> >> > > library like [lang] is a great idea. Whether it uses annotations,
>> >> >> > javadocs,
>> >> >> > > or some sort of informal javadoc comments isn't too big a deal to
>> >> me,
>> >> >> but
>> >> >> > > providing some guarantees of thread safety or lack thereof would
>> be
>> >> >> > > invaluable information.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > On 27 November 2016 at 07:11, Benedikt Ritter <
>> brit...@apache.org>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > > I thought we decided to abstain from documenting thread safety
>> >> since
>> >> >> it
>> >> >> > > > would get outdated quickly anyway.
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> schrieb am So., 27. Nov.
>> >> 2016
>> >> >> um
>> >> >> > > > 09:11 Uhr:
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > > But if we then want a runtime version we had an odd packaging
>> >> with
>> >> >> > > CLASS
>> >> >> > > > > retention in .concurrent. and RUNTIME in .concurrent.runtime.
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > I might be in YAGNI territory here...
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > Gary
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 10:07 PM, Matt Sicker <
>> boa...@gmail.com
>> >> >
>> >> >> > > wrote:
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > I think adding the additional clazz/runtime package would
>> be a
>> >> >> > little
>> >> >> > > > > > overkill if you only include one packaging option for now.
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > On 27 November 2016 at 00:04, Gary Gregory <
>> >> >> garydgreg...@gmail.com
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > > > wrote:
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > On Nov 26, 2016 8:40 PM, "Matt Sicker" <boa...@gmail.com
>> >
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > > I can think of a couple use cases for runtime retention
>> >> for
>> >> >> > > thread
>> >> >> > > > > > safety
>> >> >> > > > > > > > annotations, but they're not specific to commons lang.
>> >> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > > 1. A framework could choose what type of data
>> structure or
>> >> >> > > > algorithm
>> >> >> > > > > to
>> >> >> > > > > > > use
>> >> >> > > > > > > > at runtime based on the presence of which thread safety
>> >> >> > > annotation
>> >> >> > > > is
>> >> >> > > > > > on.
>> >> >> > > > > > > > Same for mutability.
>> >> >> > > > > > > > 2. A testing framework could use these annotations to
>> try
>> >> and
>> >> >> > > > > automate
>> >> >> > > > > > > some
>> >> >> > > > > > > > sort of thread safety tests, though that sounds like a
>> >> hard
>> >> >> > > problem
>> >> >> > > > > to
>> >> >> > > > > > > > actually implement.
>> >> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > > However, it'd be easier to just start with class
>> retention
>> >> >> (or
>> >> >> > > > source
>> >> >> > > > > > > > retention) just for documentation purposes. Higher
>> >> retention
>> >> >> > > levels
>> >> >> > > > > > could
>> >> >> > > > > > > > be added later if an important use case came up.
>> >> >> > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > But which packaging option?
>> >> >> > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > Gary
>> >> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > > On 26 November 2016 at 19:56, Gary Gregory <
>> >> >> > > garydgreg...@gmail.com
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > wrote:
>> >> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 3:54 PM, sebb <
>> seb...@gmail.com
>> >> >
>> >> >> > > wrote:
>> >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > On 26 November 2016 at 19:25, Gary Gregory <
>> >> >> > > > > garydgreg...@gmail.com
>> >> >> > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > wrote:
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > On a [crypto] thread, I mentioned
>> >> >> > > > http://pastebin.com/RKPGGdJ9
>> >> >> > > > > > to
>> >> >> > > > > > > add
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > the
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > "classic" four javax.annotation.concurrent
>> >> annotations
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> > > two
>> >> >> > > > > > > packages
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > (.clazz and .runtime) in Commons Lang for CLASS
>> and
>> >> >> > RUNTIME
>> >> >> > > > > > > retentions.
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > You'd use the CLASS version to avoid a hard
>> >> dependency
>> >> >> on
>> >> >> > > > > [lang].
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > RUNTIME
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > to keep them around.
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > We'd use the CLASS versions in all of Commons for
>> >> >> > > documenting
>> >> >> > > > > > > thread
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > safety.
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts?
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Definitely Class retention, not Runtime.
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > You don't want to have to include the annotation
>> jar
>> >> on
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> > > > > runtime
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > classpath.
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > Hi Sebb,
>> >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > Right now I have both of these packages:
>> >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > - org.apache.commons.lang3.
>> annotation.concurrent.clazz
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > - org.apache.commons.lang3.
>> >> annotation.concurrent.runtime
>> >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > Each with a copy of:
>> >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > GuardedBy
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > Immutable
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > NotThreadSafe
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > ThreadSafe
>> >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > Should we include what I have as is?
>> >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > If we were to only provide the annotation at the
>> CLASS
>> >> >> > > retention
>> >> >> > > > > > level,
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > should we still package them in
>> >> >> > ...annotation.concurrent.clazz
>> >> >> > > in
>> >> >> > > > > > case
>> >> >> > > > > > > we
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > want to provide annotation.concurrent.runtime later?
>> >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > If we know for certain we never want to provide
>> RUNTIME
>> >> >> > > > retention,
>> >> >> > > > > we
>> >> >> > > > > > > can
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > put them all in annotation.concurrent now.
>> >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > Thoughts?
>> >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > Gary
>> >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > [I don't know why the annotations were ever
>> considered
>> >> >> > > suitable
>> >> >> > > > > for
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > runtime]
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > Gary
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > --
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > E-Mail: garydgreg...@gmail.com |
>> >> ggreg...@apache.org
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > <https://www.amazon.com/gp/
>> >> >> product/1617290459/ref=as_li_
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=
>> >> >> 9325&creativeASIN=1617290459&
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > linkCode=as2&tag=garygregory-20&linkId=
>> >> >> cadb800f39946ec62ea2b1af9fe6a2
>> >> >> > > b8>
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > <http:////
>> >> >> > > > > > > ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com/e/
>> ir?t=garygregory-20&l=am2&o=1&
>> >> a=
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > 1617290459>
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > JUnit in Action, Second Edition
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > <https://www.amazon.com/gp/
>> >> >> product/1935182021/ref=as_li_
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=
>> >> >> 9325&creativeASIN=1935182021&
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > linkCode=as2&tag=garygregory-20&linkId=
>> >> >> > > > > > > 31ecd1f6b6d1eaf8886ac902a24de4
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > 18%22
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > <http:////
>> >> >> > > > > > > ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com/e/
>> ir?t=garygregory-20&l=am2&o=1&
>> >> a=
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > 1935182021>
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > Spring Batch in Action
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > <https://www.amazon.com/gp/
>> >> >> product/1935182951/ref=as_li_
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=
>> >> >> 9325&creativeASIN=1935182951&
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > linkCode=%7B%7BlinkCode%7D%7D&tag=garygregory-20&linkId=%7B%
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > 7Blink_id%7D%7D%22%3ESpring+Batch+in+Action>
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > <http:////
>> >> >> > > > > > > ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com/e/
>> ir?t=garygregory-20&l=am2&o=1&
>> >> a=
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > 1935182951>
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > Home: http://garygregory.com/
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > >
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>> >> >> > > > > > > > > --
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > E-Mail: garydgreg...@gmail.com | ggreg...@apache.org
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > <https://www.amazon.com/gp/
>> >> product/1617290459/ref=as_li_
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=
>> >> >> 9325&creativeASIN=1617290459&
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > linkCode=as2&tag=garygregory-20&linkId=
>> >> >> > > > > > cadb800f39946ec62ea2b1af9fe6a2
>> >> >> > > > > > > b8>
>> >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > <http:////ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com/e/ir?t=
>> >> >> > > > > > garygregory-20&l=am2&o=1&a=
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > 1617290459>
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > JUnit in Action, Second Edition
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > <https://www.amazon.com/gp/
>> >> product/1935182021/ref=as_li_
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=
>> >> >> 9325&creativeASIN=1935182021&
>> >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > linkCode=as2&tag=garygregory-20&linkId=
>> >> >> > > > 31ecd1f6b6d1eaf8886ac902a24de4
>> >> >> > > > > > 18%22
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > <http:////ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com/e/ir?t=
>> >> >> > > > > > garygregory-20&l=am2&o=1&a=
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > 1935182021>
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > Spring Batch in Action
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > <https://www.amazon.com/gp/
>> >> product/1935182951/ref=as_li_
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=
>> >> >> 9325&creativeASIN=1935182951&
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > linkCode=%7B%7BlinkCode%7D%7D&
>> >> >> tag=garygregory-20&linkId=%7B%
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > 7Blink_id%7D%7D%22%3ESpring+Batch+in+Action>
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > <http:////ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com/e/ir?t=
>> >> >> > > > > > garygregory-20&l=am2&o=1&a=
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > 1935182951>
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > Home: http://garygregory.com/
>> >> >> > > > > > > > > Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory
>> >> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > > --
>> >> >> > > > > > > > Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > --
>> >> >> > > > > > Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > --
>> >> >> > > > > E-Mail: garydgreg...@gmail.com | ggreg...@apache.org
>> >> >> > > > > Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition
>> >> >> > > > > <
>> >> >> > > > > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1617290459/ref=as_li_
>> >> >> > > > tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=1617290459&
>> >> >> > > > linkCode=as2&tag=garygregory-20&linkId=
>> >> >> cadb800f39946ec62ea2b1af9fe6a2b8
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > <http:////
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com/e/ir?t=garygregory-20&l=am2&o=1&
>> >> a=1617290459
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > > JUnit in Action, Second Edition
>> >> >> > > > > <
>> >> >> > > > > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1935182021/ref=as_li_
>> >> >> > > > tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=1935182021&
>> >> >> > > > linkCode=as2&tag=garygregory-20&linkId=
>> >> >> 31ecd1f6b6d1eaf8886ac902a24de4
>> >> >> > > 18%22
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > <http:////
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com/e/ir?t=garygregory-20&l=am2&o=1&
>> >> a=1935182021
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > > Spring Batch in Action
>> >> >> > > > > <
>> >> >> > > > > https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1935182951/ref=as_li_
>> >> >> > > > tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=1935182951&
>> >> >> > > > linkCode=%7B%7BlinkCode%7D%7D&tag=garygregory-20&linkId=%7B%
>> >> >> > > > 7Blink_id%7D%7D%22%3ESpring+Batch+in+Action
>> >> >> > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > <http:////
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com/e/ir?t=garygregory-20&l=am2&o=1&
>> >> a=1935182951
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > > Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com
>> >> >> > > > > Home: http://garygregory.com/
>> >> >> > > > > Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > --
>> >> >> > > Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > E-Mail: garydgreg...@gmail.com | ggreg...@apache.org
>> >> > Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition
>> >> > <https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1617290459/ref=as_li_
>> >> tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=1617290459&
>> >> linkCode=as2&tag=garygregory-20&linkId=cadb800f39946ec62ea2b1af9fe6a2
>> b8>
>> >> >
>> >> > <http:////ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com/e/ir?t=
>> garygregory-20&l=am2&o=1&a=
>> >> 1617290459>
>> >> > JUnit in Action, Second Edition
>> >> > <https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1935182021/ref=as_li_
>> >> tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=1935182021&
>> >> linkCode=as2&tag=garygregory-20&linkId=31ecd1f6b6d1eaf8886ac902a24de4
>> 18%22
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > <http:////ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com/e/ir?t=
>> garygregory-20&l=am2&o=1&a=
>> >> 1935182021>
>> >> > Spring Batch in Action
>> >> > <https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1935182951/ref=as_li_
>> >> tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=1935182951&
>> >> linkCode=%7B%7BlinkCode%7D%7D&tag=garygregory-20&linkId=%7B%
>> >> 7Blink_id%7D%7D%22%3ESpring+Batch+in+Action>
>> >> > <http:////ir-na.amazon-adsystem.com/e/ir?t=
>> garygregory-20&l=am2&o=1&a=
>> >> 1935182951>
>> >> > Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com
>> >> > Home: http://garygregory.com/
>> >> > Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory
>> >>
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