On 1 October 2017 at 10:08, Pascal Schumacher <pascalschumac...@gmx.net> wrote:
> Looks like commons-logging-api is used by some popular projects (Hibernate,
> Hadoop, Camel):
>
> http://www.mvnrepository.com/artifact/commons-logging/commons-logging-api/usages
>
> but I guess they can easily switch to commons-logging.

Not sure I agree with that.

The purpose of the api jar is to define the API only without bringing
in the rest of the code.
Potentially having the implementation as well could cause issues.

> Commons-logging-adatper seem to be very rarely used:
>
> http://www.mvnrepository.com/artifact/commons-logging/commons-logging-adapters/usages
>
> As I understand it there is no other (realistic) choice than dropping the
> api and the adpater jars, so +1 from me.

The split into API and implementation seems to me to be a
well-established pattern, so if Maven or Java 9 cannot support that
then it is Maven or Java 9 that needs to be fixed.

> Cheers,
> Pascal
>
>
> Am 01.10.2017 um 10:25 schrieb Benedikt Ritter:
>>
>> Okay, so we agree to drop the api and adapters jars from the build and the
>> distribution? If that is the case, I think we are ready to release this.
>>
>> Benedikt
>>
>> Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> schrieb am So. 1. Okt. 2017 um
>> 03:39:
>>
>>> On Sep 30, 2017 11:24, "Ralph Goers" <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Looking at the build script it appears that both the api and adapters
>>> modules contain a subset of what is in commons-logging.jar. I have no
>>> idea
>>> why this is but all three of them cannot be modularized. I would suggest
>>> only modularizing commons-logging.jar and ignoring the other two.
>>>
>>>
>>> Makes sense to me.
>>>
>>> Gary
>>>
>>>
>>> Ralph
>>>
>>>> On Sep 30, 2017, at 1:28 AM, Benedikt Ritter <brit...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Am 26.09.2017 um 23:34 schrieb Stephen Colebourne <scolebou...@joda.org
>>>>
>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>> The contents of pom.xml look OK. I can't seem to browse to see if you
>>>>> changed anything else in that commit.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would suggest being extra cautious when releasing, as a newer
>>>>> version of maven may have changed some of the config, and you don't
>>>>> want to release the two extra jars to maven central. (In fact, why not
>>>>> just delete their creation in pom.xml ?)
>>>>
>>>> They are part of our standard distribution (I don’t know why) [1]. In
>>>
>>> fact I saw commons-logging-api.jar fly by last time I build my Spring
>>> Boot
>>> project. So it seems that those additional artifacts are still in use.
>>>>
>>>> I don’t know how well this plays with Automatic-Module-Name. If I
>>>
>>> understand correctly only one jar can have org.apache.common.logging.
>>>>
>>>> Benedikt
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://commons.apache.org/proper/commons-logging/guide.
>>>
>>> html#Jars_Included_in_the_Standard_Distribution
>>>>>
>>>>> Stephen
>>>>>
>>>>> On 26 September 2017 at 22:05, Benedikt Ritter <brit...@apache.org>
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 26.09.2017 um 22:54 schrieb Stephen Colebourne <
>>>
>>> scolebou...@joda.org
>>>>
>>>> :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 26 September 2017 at 18:48, Jörg Schaible <joerg.schai...@gmx.de>
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> AFAICS we have only commons-logging. The other artifacts have not
>>>
>>> been part
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> of any release in the last decade.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Simple then!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please review revision 1809785. The build still creates all those
>>>>>> jars,
>>>
>>> the Automatic-Module-Name header is added to commons-logging.jar
>>> MANIFEST.MF with value org.apache.commons.logging.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Benedikt
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stephen
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