Couldn't resist <g> https://twitter.com/alanparsons/status/1178469148751466496?s=19
...no idea how it appeared in my timeline... - - - Vice President Marketing & Publicity Vice President Sponsor Relations The Apache Software Foundation Tel +1 617 921 8656 | [email protected] On Thu, Sep 19, 2019, at 19:10, Sally Khudairi wrote: > Rob: I've had "Eye In The Sky" in my head for the past 5 days ... > > Thanks for the ear worm --it's a sign :^) > > But I concur: no "Project" is needed in the logo here. > > - - - > Vice President Marketing & Publicity > Vice President Sponsor Relations > The Apache Software Foundation > > Tel +1 617 921 8656 | [email protected] > > > On Sun, Sep 15, 2019, at 10:47, Rob Tompkins wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sep 15, 2019, at 8:10 AM, Gary Gregory <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I do not think we need "Project", we're not a 70s progrock band ;-) >> >> I like the Alan Parsons Project, a little :-P >>> >>> On Sun, Sep 15, 2019, 07:45 Rob Tompkins <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Here’s a potential logo that I mocked up and sent to Kenneth. Does anyone >>>> have any opinions on this? I felt like something similar to the one that >>>> Sally sent across for the HTTP project seemed reasonable. >>>> >>>> Also, I think that it’s not exactly adherent to the style guide and that >>>> Kenneth plans on putting something together that’s analogous and adhere’s >>>> to the style guide. >>>> >>>> Thoughts? -Rob >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Sep 9, 2019, at 3:17 PM, Gary Gregory <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The KISS solution would be to get "Central" to produce not just the >>>>> Commons >>>>> logo but one for each component and be done. The even simpler path is to >>>>> forgo component specific logos, especially since Commons is just one >>>>> Apache >>>>> project. I like simpler... >>>>> >>>>> Gary >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, 15:08 Rob Tompkins <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 9, 2019, at 11:31 AM, Gilles Sadowski <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Le lun. 9 sept. 2019 à 12:35, Sally Khudairi <[email protected]> a écrit : >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you, Gilles. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm copying Kenneth Paskett, creative lead from Central Services. I was >>>>>> talking to him about this opportunity yesterday: we will be happy to >>>>>> explore options for a future design. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just curious, who on this transmission is at ApacheCon this week. Having >>>>>> worked with Sally in the past on an ad-hoc logo for the DC road show >>>>>> earlier this year, I could sit down with her and see if we can get >>>>>> something analogous to what we have in place currently that satisfies >>>>>> everyone (granted my designs tend to be minimalist in nature). >>>>>> >>>>>> Thoughts? >>>>>> >>>>>> -Rob >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm not saying "don't use anything that remotely looks like the >>>>>> feather". It's important that if we choose to use an ASF-feather-inspired >>>>>> motif that it doesn't look like it's a "broken" version of the original. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It was certainly not the intention. >>>>>>> It is difficult/impossible to argue on things that boil down >>>>>>> to a matter of taste or arbitrary policy (like the kinds of >>>>>>> reuse that are allowed and not by the rights owner). >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ways around that issue could involve the shape or color of the feather, >>>>>> among other adjustments. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Exactly what I meant: IMHO those changes are more "broken" >>>>>>> than a rotation. ;-) >>>>>>> [But if they are allowed, then fine.] >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you and the community for your trust. We look forward to working >>>>>> with you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hopefully, preferences will be collected in the thread which I >>>>>>> mentioned in the previous message, and the community can >>>>>>> converge on a few ideas to help with the design. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>> Gilles >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>> Sally >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - - - >>>>>>>> Vice President Marketing & Publicity >>>>>>>> Vice President Sponsor Relations >>>>>>>> The Apache Software Foundation >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | [email protected] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, at 03:22, Gilles Sadowski wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hello. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Le sam. 7 sept. 2019 à 13:29, Sally Khudairi <[email protected]> a >>>>>>>>> écrit : >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you, Gilles. I appreciate you reaching out. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Normally I encourage PMCs to not re-orient or "spindle" the feather >>>>>> where possible, but I understand that some legacy logos have a bit of a >>>>>> problem with positioning. For example, the Apache HTTP Server logo: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - original logo https://twitter.com/apache_httpd/photo >>>>>>>>>> - interim logo https://britewire.com/apache-http-server/ >>>>>>>>>> - new logo >>>>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/project-logos/originals/httpd.svg >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So is the choice between >>>>>>>>> * use the exact same feather as the foundation's >>>>>>>>> * not use anything that even remotely looks like feather >>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Whilst I understand the proposed design, I'm not *loving* the look of >>>>>> the logo, particularly as Apache Commons has such a massive footprint >>>>>> across so many projects. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To that end, may I ask a favor? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Would you and the Apache Commons PMC be amenable to considering >>>>>> having Central Services --a somewhat new sub-group of ASF Marketing & >>>>>> Publicity-- help you with creating a new logo? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Help from experts is welcome. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If you are not in a rush, we can see how we can help you. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don't think we should be in a rush, as the proposal to change the >>>>>>>>> projects' logo(s) dates back from 3 years ago.[1] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ApacheCon North America starts on Monday, and we can start the >>>>>> discussions on what your requirements are and the best way to meet your >>>>>> needs. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I can only speak about of my preferences:[2] >>>>>>>>> * At most 2 or 3 graphical elements reminiscent of the project >>>>>>>>> (feather included, if applicable) >>>>>>>>> * No URL >>>>>>>>> * Clearly visible at all (reasonable) resolutions [3] >>>>>>>>> * Combinable with 1 additional grahical element (so that we can >>>>>>>>> easily create one logo for each of the many components hosted >>>>>>>>> in "Commons" [4] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ApacheCon Europe is taking place in October: I was thinking the >>>>>> timeframe between the two events (~6 weeks) would be sufficient for us to >>>>>> have a few proposals developed. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Great. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If this works for you, we can get started this week. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Fine with me. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If not, I understand. You may proceed with the proposed logo with the >>>>>> intention of revisiting and updating in future. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now is a good time. >>>>>>>>> Indeed, that logo is not favoured by the community (at least the few >>>>>>>>> who voiced their opinion).[5] And, IMHO, the alternatives are failing >>>>>>>>> what I consider basic requirements (cf. above).[6] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Many kind thanks again for your attention and consideration. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Warm regards, >>>>>>>>>> Sally >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you very much for the offer, >>>>>>>>> Gilles >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COMMONSSITE-86 >>>>>>>>> [2] Discussion thread: >>>>>>>>> https://markmail.org/message/twsre7wl6jmue6mp >>>>>>>>> [3] For example, when I look at the top left of the Apache's JIRA >>>>>> pages: >>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/Dashboard.jspa >>>>>>>>> I see either a bad logo, or an inadequate use of it. >>>>>>>>> [4] See e.g. http://commons.apache.org/proper/commons-rng/ >>>>>>>>> [5] Lacking feedback, I opted for an upgrade of the feather using >>>>>>>>> the foundation's new graphics keeping the old (and supposedly >>>>>>>>> consensual) idea for the feather orientation. >>>>>>>>> [6] Even though it's great that Loic Guibert was willing to provide >>>>>>>>> idea and a few examples. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 6, 2019, at 17:18, Gilles Sadowski wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Hello. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We, at Apache Commons, would like to know whether an Apache >>>>>>>>>>> project is authorized to extract graphical elements from the >>>>>>>>>>> foundation's logo, apply some transformation to them, and use >>>>>>>>>>> the result in order to compose its own logo. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Case in point is here: >>>>>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/comdev/project-logos/originals/commons.svg >>>>>>>>>>> (where the feather has been rotated). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Does it constitute a breach of the recommendations published in >>>>>>>>>>> the "Identity Style Guide"?[1] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>>>>>>> Gilles Sadowski >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> [1] >>>>>> https://apache.org/foundation/press/kit/ApacheFoundation_StyleGuide.pdf >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] >>>>>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >>> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] >
