Hi Hadrian I like this idea.
> At least one member of the Steering Committee SHOULD be a member of dev@community.a.o. This means a committer of community.a.o, right? Sheng Wu 吴晟 Twitter, wusheng1108 Hadrian Zbarcea <hzbar...@gmail.com> 于2020年2月27日周四 上午4:47写道： > Hi Juan Pan, > > Best is to keep things simple. My suggestion would be to have 3 roles: > > 1. Associate Members = anybody interested, low barrier to entry > 2. Members (or Full Members) = members who are also committers to any ASF > project > 3. Steering Committee = elected from Full Members with an > administrative/organizational role (similar to a PMC); size up to you > > Associate Members would become Full Members simply by getting the Vote of > an ASF community/project, not special procedure would be necessary inside > the ALC. At least one member of the Steering Committee SHOULD be a member > of dev@community.a.o. You could consider removing Associate Members who > were inactive for a significant time, say 2 years. > > Cheers, > Hadrian > > > On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 10:19 PM Juan Pan <panj...@apache.org> wrote: > >> Hi >> >> After reading the thread, two of questions came to my mind, i.e. What is >> the Responsibility of ALC member? How to become a ALC member? >> Moreover, i guess other ALCs will have the same questions as well. >> >> From the ALC doc[1], we can learn that the responsibilities of ALC are >> mostly related to Apache way, so if the responsibilities of a member is to >> help do those things, >> that means a member at least has a basic understanding of Apache or did >> some contributions? >> Secondly, if many of people who may has no understanding of Apache, or >> just want to be a member (for interest?), is it ok to include him as a >> member? Is there any condition or bar? >> >> IMO, we may consider nomination and vote for a member. Our upcoming >> online meet up is a good chance to discuss. >> >> See you then. >> >> [1] >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/Apache+Local+Community+-+ALC#ApacheLocalCommunity-ALC-ALCRolesandResponsibilities >> >> *Juan Pan (Trista) * >> >> Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating) >> E-mail: panj...@apache.org >> >> >> On 02/26/2020 09:53，Sheng Wu<wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> >> <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> wrote： >> >> Hi Hadrian >> >> So, from what I read in the thread above, I see you all being mostly in >> >> agreement, but are referring to different (and important) aspects. >> >> Yes, we are. We could discuss this more on Thur. online meeting. >> >> Sheng Wu 吴晟 >> Twitter, wusheng1108 >> >> >> Hadrian Zbarcea <hzbar...@gmail.com> 于2020年2月26日周三 上午12:27写道： >> >> Most of the disagreements on the ASF lists can be traced back to a >> communication issue. I think I understand what Willem proposed and I agree >> on the low bar aspect, but I think the way the term bar is used may create >> unnecessary misunderstandings. >> >> This being an ASF local community, it must be guided by ASF standards >> (let's not call them rules). This is in the interest of advancing the ASF >> values we believe in and proved successful for over 2 decades. From this >> point of view the people who are organizing the community must know what >> they're are doing, Sheng Wu you are correct. There should be a way in >> which >> the organizers (or members or whatever word we choose to describe that PMC >> member like role) communicate with each other, build consensus and >> execute. >> If necessary, they are smart and experienced enough to ask for advice from >> an ASF officer or the board, whatever the case may be. >> >> On the other side, thinking about the intent behind the ACL Beijing, it is >> not intended (I assume) as a private club, but a way to promote open >> source >> and the ASF. From this point of view the community should be inclusive, >> there should be a low bar to entry, there should be good and active >> mentoring of new individuals (whatever we call them if not members) and >> they should be encouraged, helped, guided, mentored to be successful with >> open source, ASF projects and the ASF way in particular. Interested and >> talented individuals will get the karma in ASF projects and will go as far >> as they want, and will get a better understanding of what the ASF is >> about. >> The 'status' in the ACL Beijing will come from their contributions to open >> source projects, not the fact that they 'joined the club'. And to be >> clear, >> contributions don't mean just code contributions. >> >> IMHO, it matters less if those who join are called members of the ALC, >> what matters is what they do and how they are helped to become successful >> and how they help others to become successful. Actually the term member is >> a bit overloaded at the ASF as well. I remember many cases when newly >> voted >> PMC members thought they are members of the foundation, and it took a bit >> for them to understand the difference. >> >> So, from what I read in the thread above, I see you all being mostly in >> agreement, but are referring to different (and important) aspects. >> >> Best of luck, >> Hadrian >> >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 8:04 AM Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Hi Willem >> >> I am pretty sure this should not be having a bar like a project official >> committer. But no bar? I don't think this is a reasonable idea. >> As ALC we will use the Apache branding and Apache ALC branding, I prefer >> there should be some guides, otherwise, how should we protect it? >> >> And more, how should we make sure, the member could talk about the >> culture of Apache basically correct(I wouldn 't say accurate, but at >> least, >> not misguide)? -- This question is suitable for JianSheng too. >> How about the next one asking joining the ALC, what should we do? If he >> is also not an Apache committer/PMC/member again >> >> Sheng Wu 吴晟 >> Twitter, wusheng1108 >> >> >> Willem Jiang <willem.ji...@gmail.com> 于2020年2月25日周二 下午5:18写道： >> >> I don't think we need to setup a bar on the people who want to join the >> ALC. >> As we are short of hand to advocate the Apache way in China. I think >> JianSheng can provide a great help for us. >> ALC is not a Apache project, current we don't have the PMC or >> Committers, but I think community PMC can give us some guide and >> advices for it. >> Current the member of ALC Beijing are the active committers of Apache >> or other people who interesting about it. We may need to discuss a >> way how to introduce new blood in a meritocracy way. >> The main purpose of ALC is building a local community around ASF >> projects, helping Apache projects cooperate with each other, and let >> Chinese community to know better about Apache Software Foundation. >> For the content we provide for the local audience should follow the >> Apache Way and for the logo and branding related issues we also need >> the approve from Apache Branding officer. >> >> Willem Jiang >> >> Twitter: willemjiang >> Weibo: 姜宁willem >> >> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 4:45 PM Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> Hi Willem >> >> Is there any invitation rule(guide) about adding a new member? >> What is different between a member and not a member? >> >> To be clear, I am not objecting, I just don't get the context. >> In all other TLP project, member sometimes means a committer of ASF or >> >> that project. Which is the bar(s) of an ALC member? Or even is there a bar >> for this? >> >> The deep reason I asked about this, is from my understanding the ALC >> >> member needs to follow the Apache way, keep the branding used in the right >> way, and so on. >> >> >> To Jian Sheng >> Please don't feel I am not welcoming you to join or unfriendly. >> >> Really, I am not stopping you. I know the contributions you made for the >> Apache/Apache Way/Open source. >> >> I just want this community organized in the right and recommended way. >> >> Sheng Wu 吴晟 >> Twitter, wusheng1108 >> >> >> Willem Jiang <willem.ji...@gmail.com> 于2020年2月25日周二 下午4:38写道： >> >> >> FYI, I just updated the wiki page[1] and added JianSheng into the >> >> member list. >> >> Please let me know if you have any questions about it. >> >> BTW, please add your picture into the page if you have time :) >> >> [1]https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/ALC+Beijing >> >> >> Willem Jiang >> >> Twitter: willemjiang >> Weibo: 姜宁willem >> >> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 2:20 PM Xiangdong Huang <saint...@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> +1. >> Jianshen is very active for popularizing open source. >> >> jincheng sun <sunjincheng...@gmail.com>于2020年2月25日 周二下午12:30写道： >> >> >> +1 for your proposal Willem. I think we really need people who with >> experience in Chinese communities to join us！ >> >> Best, >> Jincheng >> >> >> 适兕 <lijiangshe...@gmail.com> 于2020年2月23日周日 上午11:42写道： >> >> Thanks Willem, >> It's honor , be happy to do something for ALC Beijing. >> >> On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 11:23 AM Willem Jiang < >> >> willem.ji...@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I'd like to introduce Jianshen Li, he is the founder of a >> >> Chinese blog >> >> which introduce Open Source Way for nearly 3 years. >> Even he is not a Apache Committer, he translate bunch of ASF >> >> related >> >> articles [1][2][3][4]into Chinese, I think it helps lot for >> >> promote >> >> ASF in Chinese community. >> Now I'm working closely with JIanshen to write more articles >> >> for the >> >> newbie who want to join the Open Source in China. >> I'd like to invite him as a member of ALC Beijing. >> >> Any throught？ >> >> [1] >> >> >> http://opensourceway.community/posts/foundation_introduce/asf-founders-look-back-on-20-years/ >> >> [2] >> >> >> http://opensourceway.community/posts/foundation_introduce/the_apache_way_to_sustainable_os/ >> >> [3] >> >> >> http://opensourceway.community/posts/foundation_introduce/five-year-strategic-plan-for-the-asf-2018/ >> >> [4] >> >> >> http://opensourceway.community/posts/foundation_introduce/how_apache_works/ >> >> >> Willem Jiang >> >> Twitter: willemjiang >> Weibo: 姜宁willem >> >> On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 9:57 AM 适兕 <lijiangshe...@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> Hi, Swapnil and Willem , >> >> I am very interested helping for ALC BeiJing, >> >> + 1 from me. >> >> As open source advocate , I am the founder of >> >> opensourceway.community >> >> , Dedicated to the exploration of ideas, knowledge and values >> >> related to >> >> open source. >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 8:04 PM Swapnil M Mane < >> >> swapnilmm...@apache.org> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> Done Xiangdong, please check. >> >> >> Best regards, >> Swapnil M Mane, >> www.apache.org >> >> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020 at 5:14 PM Xiangdong Huang < >> >> saint...@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> Hi Swapnil, >> >> I'd like to apply for the edit rights for the confluence. >> My Confluence id is hxd. >> >> Many thanks. >> >> Best, >> ----------------------------------- >> Xiangdong Huang >> School of Software, Tsinghua University >> >> 黄向东 >> 清华大学 软件学院 >> >> >> Swapnil M Mane <swapnilmm...@apache.org> 于2020年2月18日周二 >> >> 下午6:59写道： >> >> >> Hello ALC Beijing team, >> >> Hope you are doing well, it gives immense pleasure to us >> >> to update >> >> you >> >> that the vote is passed by ComDev PMC to establish ALC >> >> Beijing >> >> Chapter >> >> and Willem Jiang as ALC Beijing Chapter lead. >> >> Here are the placeholder pages created in ComDev space >> https://s.apache.org/alc-beijing >> https://s.apache.org/alc-beijing-events >> https://s.apache.org/alc-beijing-reports >> >> I have given edit rights on Confluence for ComDev wiki >> >> to following >> >> members (since I found their confluence IDs) >> -- Willem Jiang >> -- Jeff Zhang >> -- Liang Zhang >> -- Jincheng Sun >> -- Sheng Wu >> -- Juan Pan >> >> Rest members, please feel free to mail on the dev list >> >> to request >> >> the >> >> edit rights with your confluence ID. >> >> We would also like to connect you with Aditya Sharma. >> Aditya is a very active member of ALC Indore Chapter and >> >> will be >> >> with >> >> you for an initial few months to support and assist you >> >> so that you >> >> will be familiar with the processes followed by ALC >> >> Chapter for its >> >> execution ( https://s.apache.org/d4anc ). >> >> >> Dear Willem and team, >> We have the following roles and responsibilities as ALC >> >> Chapter and >> >> ALC Chapter lead: >> [Online version of this is available at >> https://s.apache.org/ALC-Chapter-Lead-RR ] >> >> 1. Making sure the 'ALC Code of Conduct ( >> https://s.apache.org/alc-code-of-conduct )' is followed >> >> by the ALC >> >> Chapter. >> >> 2. All the events organized by the ALC Chapter are >> >> following the >> >> Guidelines to organize ALC Event ( >> >> s.apache.org/alc-guidelines ). >> >> >> 3. Chapter lead will submit the status report ( >> https://s.apache.org/alc-reports ) to ComDev ( >> dev@community.apache.org ) in every *three months* >> >> based on their >> >> reporting cycle. >> For ALC Beijing the reporting cycle is May, August, >> >> November, >> >> February. >> >> >> 4. Chapter Lead will be the point of contact for the >> >> respective >> >> ALC >> >> Chapter. >> >> If you have any queries or questions, please feel free >> >> to post on >> >> dev list. >> >> >> All the very best team, and thank you for showing your >> >> kind >> >> interest >> >> in this initiative. >> >> Best regards, >> Swapnil M Mane, >> www.apache.org >> >> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:20 AM Swapnil M Mane < >> >> swapnilmm...@apache.org> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> Hello Skylar and Juan, thank you for your interest. >> Skylar, please refer to my response inline. >> >> On Sun, Feb 9, 2020 at 10:02 AM Skylar Deranick < >> >> skysfr...@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> Sure I'll do it >> >> >> Just for your information, as mentioned in one of my >> >> recent mail >> >> [1], >> >> Currently, the voting is underway in ComDev PMC to >> >> establish ALC >> >> Beijing. >> >> And it is the mandate of ComDev PMC to establish the >> >> new ALCs, >> >> so we have to wait until we get the response from the >> >> PMC. >> >> >> [1] https://s.apache.org/z8yo7 >> >> >> On Sat, Feb 8, 2020, 8:30 PM Juan Pan < >> >> panj...@apache.org> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> +1 from me. >> >> >> I am tracking this thread. >> Hope see ACL Beijing setting up, i believe there >> >> are much >> >> more active >> >> PMCs, committers and contributors in Beijing >> >> waiting for >> >> this good >> >> news. >> >> >> >> Best wishes >> >> >> Juan Pan (Trista) >> >> Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache >> >> ShardingSphere(Incubating) >> >> E-mail: panj...@apache.org >> >> >> >> >> On 02/7/2020 13:50，Sheng Wu<wush...@apache.org> >> >> wrote： >> >> Hi Willem >> >> I am interested in helping ALC Beijing. >> Sorry I didn't respond earlier. >> >> +1 from me. >> >> I am Apache SkyWalking VP, Incubator PMC, >> >> ShardingSphere(incubating) >> >> PPMC >> >> and mentor of DolphinScheduler(incubating) & >> >> ECharts(incubating). >> >> ALC Beijing is good news for SkyWalking, >> >> ShardingSphere, and >> >> DolphinScheduler, which has many initial PMC and >> >> active >> >> contributors >> >> here. >> >> >> Sheng Wu >> >> On 2019/12/03 02:50:52, Willem Jiang < >> >> ningji...@apache.org> >> >> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I'm Apache member and there are bunch of Apache >> >> project >> >> developers in >> >> Beijing I know. ALC just give us a very good >> >> excuse to hand >> >> out and >> >> hold meetup together. >> >> Regards， >> >> Willem >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> >> dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org >> >> For additional commands, e-mail: >> >> dev-h...@community.apache.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> >> dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org >> >> For additional commands, e-mail: >> >> dev-h...@community.apache.org >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: >> >> dev-h...@community.apache.org >> >> >> >> >> -- >> 独立之思想，自由之精神。 >> --陈寅恪 >> >> >> >> >> -- >> 独立之思想，自由之精神。 >> --陈寅恪 >> >> >> -- >> ----------------------------------- >> Xiangdong Huang >> School of Software, Tsinghua University >> >> 黄向东 >> 清华大学 软件学院 >> >> >> >>
