To be clear Justin’s red flags are here: https://github.com/apache/comdev-working-groups/blob/main/wg-sharpeners/red-flags.md
> On Feb 14, 2024, at 11:46 AM, Phil Steitz <phil.ste...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I guess I am too late here, but fwiw, I agree strongly with Rich's > comment. I would much rather see the checklisty stuff incorporated into > either the use cases or the main doc somewhere and not presented as "things > 'we' are looking for". I do not like at all the statement in the intro to > the new doc, I agree with Phil and would also add that this list of red flags is repetitive and is not a definitive list. It completely lacks nuance and you could reasonably bike shed what color of flag each of Justin’s signals deserves. > "However, having an idea of what red flags we're looking for > in a project can be a helpful way to start looking for places to mentor, > and sharpen, our projects." > > That is absolutely the wrong message to give. Who is "we"? This kind of > thing sets the tone of the working group as some kind of external policing > / inspecting function. That will not help. I’ve seen the impact of this list being to provide many disjoint concerns instead of carefully providing a list of concerns and assuming good intention from the PMC about one or more Members concerns. A scattershot approach is not respectful of the PMC. > What *will help* is people showing up, listening and coming up with useful > suggestions for how to solve problems that communities are facing. In some > cases, that may actually mean helping them explain why their way of doing > things is perfectly fine. I was shocked, for example, by "too many release > candidates" on the list of "red flags." That is ridiculous, IMO, and > nobody's business but the community. My reaction as well. There can be many more RCs for x.y.0 than for x.y.4. Regards, Dave > A sharpener certainly might help > share experience about how other projects have handled packaging, testing > and deployment issues, but just jumping in because a few releases have > burned through a few RC numbers makes zero sense. > > Phil > > > > On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 7:39 AM Rich Bowen (Jira) <j...@apache.org> wrote: > >> >> [ >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COMDEV-543?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=17817400#comment-17817400 >> ] >> >> Rich Bowen commented on COMDEV-543: >> ----------------------------------- >> >> Added to doc in https://github.com/apache/comdev-working-groups/pull/2 >> >>> Sharpeners use cases >>> -------------------- >>> >>> Key: COMDEV-543 >>> URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COMDEV-543 >>> Project: Community Development >>> Issue Type: Improvement >>> Components: Comdev >>> Reporter: Phil Steitz >>> Priority: Minor >>> Attachments: use-cases.md >>> >>> >>> Brain dump of ideas for sharpeners use cases >> >> >> >> -- >> This message was sent by Atlassian Jira >> (v8.20.10#820010) >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org
