I suspect Outlook overwrites `p=none` to `p=reject`, resulting in dropped 
emails from apache.org that lack DKIM signatures.

But apache.org hasn't configured `rua` field, so ASF won't receive any reports 
of these failures.

On 2026/04/18 15:48:35 2380189206 wrote:
> However, the fact is that @outlook.com has a DMARC policy of `p=none`, so 
> this shouldn't prevent ASF from **receiving** emails from @outlook.com.
>
> According to the Microsoft Community, users seem to have stopped receiving 
> emails from ASF around a specific date. ( 
> https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/4722114/unable-to-receive-emails-from-******@ozone-apache
>  )
>
> It appears that Outlook adjusted its inbound policy for high volume sender 
> around that same time. ( 
> https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/blog/microsoftdefenderforoffice365blog/strengthening-email-ecosystem-outlook%E2%80%99s-new-requirements-for-high%E2%80%90volume-senders/4399730
>  )
>
> Therefore, I suspect that this specific policy change is what is causing the 
> failure to receive emails from ASF.
>
> On 2026/04/18 13:56:57 Bill Cole wrote:
> > On 2026-04-17 at 16:21:27 UTC-0400 (Fri, 17 Apr 2026 16:21:27 -0400)
> > Christopher Schultz <[email protected]>
> > is rumored to have said:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > It's odd anyone is blocking messages. apache.org does not have a DMARC
> > > record, and so anything your email service is blocking is
> > > non-standard.
> >
> > Not relevant.
> >
> > As you say, there is no DMARC record for apache.org. That means that a
> > site which demands DMARC compliance cannot use SPF to validate the
> > message, because the envelope sender address (a.k.a. Return-Path or
> > RFC5321.MailFrom) has no record. That is salvageable iff the address in
> > the From header ("RFC5322.From") is in a domain with a DMARC record. In
> > the OP's case, that's qq.com, which has a 'quarantine' policy in their
> > DMARC record. To validate that header for DMARC, a DKIM signature from
> > qq.com needs to exist, and it does. However, the signature is broken by
> > the fact that the ASF mail system adds a footer.
> >
> > In the fantasy world where everyone uses DMARC as designed, all ASF list
> > mail would go to quarantines, because there is no successful validation
> > mechanism aligned to the RFC5322.From.
> >
> > > apache.org appears to have 2 SPF records (both v1 and v2). Are you
> > > able to get anything from one of these blocked messages (e.g. by
> > > special request to your email provider)? I'd be interested to see the
> > > path those messages take to get to you and if SPF alone can be blamed
> > > somehow.
> >
> > Unlikely, since messages from ASF mailing lists have @apache.org
> > RFC5321.MailFrom addresses and come from addresses listed in the SPF
> > record, which is uncomplicated. (SPF v2 is irrelevant)
> >
> > This dilemma is present for all mailing lists. The most common approach
> > is to replace the RFC5322.From header with the submission address of the
> > list, and use a VERP address in the list's domain as the
> > RFC5321.MailFrom. This means that SPF passes for the domain used in the
> > From header, so DMARC passes. Unfortunately, this also hides the real
> > sender address, which usually moved to another header. That also would
> > allow the list system to sign the message with DKIM and have that
> > signature used for DMARC. Just re-signing the modified message on its
> > way out is not enough, without the munged From header.
> >
> > There's a mechanism called ARC that is supposedly capable of maintaining
> > a chain of trust by recording and signing the authentication status as
> > it arrives at the list, then DKIM signing the message on the way out so
> > that later handlers can validate that any changes that break the
> > original signature were done and signed by the list system. Support for
> > ARC is extremely thin.
> >
> > Another approach being taken by a few lists is encapsulation: turning
> > each incoming message into a message/rfc822 object as a MIME part in a
> > de novo message constructed by the list server. This solves all basic
> > problems with authenticating mailing list mail and introduces a big new
> > one because many MUAs have no clue about accessing such messages.
> >
> >
> >
> > > -chris
> > >
> > > On 4/17/26 8:08 AM, 2380189206 wrote:
> > >> Yes, they are all working well.
> > >>
> > >> On 2026/04/17 11:15:11 Gary Gregory wrote:
> > >>> Do you subscribe to non-Apache mailing lists and do these come
> > >>> through OK?
> > >>>
> > >>> Gary
> > >>>
> > >>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2026 at 5:34 AM 2380189206 <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I am writing to report an ongoing email deliver-ability issue that
> > >>>> has been preventing users from receiving emails from apache.org
> > >>>> since at least May 2025.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Emails sent from Apache mailing lists (e.g., @ozone.apache.org,
> > >>>> @hadoop.apache.org, and other Apache project subdomains) are being
> > >>>> blocked by Outlook. The root cause appears to be that these emails
> > >>>> are not carrying DKIM signatures, which seems to have triggered
> > >>>> Microsoft's security policies implemented around April 2025 (
> > >>>> https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/blog/microsoftdefenderforoffice365blog/strengthening-email-ecosystem-outlook%E2%80%99s-new-requirements-for-high%E2%80%90volume-senders/4399730
> > >>>> ).
> > >>>>
> > >>>> This issue was first reported by users on Microsoft's community
> > >>>> forum (
> > >>>> https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/4722114/unable-to-receive-emails-from-******@ozone-apache
> > >>>> ) as early as June 2025. In this post, the user confirmed that he
> > >>>> stopped receiving messages suddenly in June 2025, and standard
> > >>>> troubleshooting (safe sender lists, checking junk folders) did not
> > >>>> resolve the issue, indicating it is not an isolated incident but a
> > >>>> systemic infrastructure conflict between Apache's email setup and
> > >>>> Outlook's filtering rules.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> As of today (April 2026), this problem persists (
> > >>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/Outlook/comments/1smr1x7/anyone_else_having_issues_subscribing_to_apache/
> > >>>> ). This blockage is severely disrupting communication for
> > >>>> developers and users who rely on these mailing lists for critical
> > >>>> project updates and support.
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