An unofficial tally of opinion so far: Android only: Jesse, Anis, Andrew, Lorin All: Fil, Frank Henning, Matt Lantz
Benn's vote counts as "do android now/soon, with all eventually". So putting effort into this venture for Android seems to be supported for now. If anyone is interested in kicking that off, it's filed as CB-3542 [1]. [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-3542 On 8/12/13 12:26 PM, "Jesse" <purplecabb...@gmail.com> wrote: >The question is not _are_ there benefit, but what value do that they >bring, >versus the effort to do it? >In my opinion rewriting it presents a greater risk than (for example) >having a Log utility function duplicated across files, as it will _never_ >change. >To me this is a case of knowing what and when to optimize. > >We've already talked about this too much, so I will go with whatever the >consensus is. > > > > >@purplecabbage >risingj.com > > >On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Filip Maj <f...@adobe.com> wrote: > >> One thing about the windows sets of scripts (Jscript-based) is that it >>is >> a primitive scripting language. From what I can tell (please correct me >>if >> I'm wrong) there's no concept of modules, so code re-use is a problem, >> which leads us to roll with copy-paste jobs such as the Log function [1] >> [2] [3] and the exec function [4] [5]. >> >> I agree forging ahead and rewriting a bunch of stuff just for the sake >>of >> consistency is make-work, but there _are_ benefits that would come out >>of >> these efforts. >> >> [1] >> >>https://github.com/apache/cordova-wp8/blob/master/wp8/template/cordova/li >>b/ >> deploy.js#L72 >> [2] >> >>https://github.com/apache/cordova-wp8/blob/master/wp8/template/cordova/li >>b/ >> clean.js#L39 >> [3] >> >>https://github.com/apache/cordova-wp8/blob/master/wp8/template/cordova/li >>b/ >> build.js#L44 >> [4] >> >>https://github.com/apache/cordova-wp8/blob/master/wp8/template/cordova/li >>b/ >> deploy.js#L94 >> [5] >> >>https://github.com/apache/cordova-wp8/blob/master/wp8/template/cordova/li >>b/ >> build.js#L54 >> >> On 8/12/13 10:18 AM, "Benn Mapes" <benn.ma...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >+1 to this thread. >> > >> >I say we work on BB/Android first but it would be nice to have all the >> >tooling eventually in node (for consistency/maintainability). For the >> >windows tooling, it's mostly in JScript at the moment anyways so the >>code >> >could pretty much stay the same by just updating a few of the basic >> >functions such as logging, exec, and read/write. >> > >> > >> >On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Lorin Beer >> ><lorin.beer....@gmail.com>wrote: >> > >> >> this conversation has been continuing on and offline around the >> >> watercooler. >> >> >> >> +1 for Jesse's concern. >> >> >> >> There is absolutely no value in throwing out working bat scripts and >> >> rewriting them in node. It's makework. >> >> >> >> For BB10, the scripts were written in node in the first place, and >> >>bash/bat >> >> scripts invoke the node scripts. The inverse would be fine for WP7/8. >> >>Node >> >> alias invokes bat script. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Jesse <purplecabb...@gmail.com> >>wrote: >> >> >> >> > No, I have not yet seen it, sounds sweet, and I applaud your >> >>commitment. >> >> > The comment was based on historical data; I am still optimistic for >> >>the >> >> > future. >> >> > You will of course need to upgrade/downgrade to Windows 8 to >> >>develop/test >> >> > for Windows 8, or Windows Phone 8. >> >> > >> >> > @purplecabbage >> >> > risingj.com >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Filip Maj <f...@adobe.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > I resent that comment about lack of Windows testing! Have you >>seen >> >>my >> >> > > sweet swivel-monitor laptop that I have Windows 7 on? >> >> > > >> >> > > On 8/7/13 12:11 PM, "Jesse" <purplecabb...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > > >Well, given that only Benn, and myself have contributed to the >> >>windows >> >> > 8, >> >> > > >and windows phone platform scripts, and no one else even seems >> >>willing >> >> > to >> >> > > >test the windows phone platform, it seems unfair to suggest we >> >>throw >> >> > away >> >> > > >working code, and rewrite it just for fun. >> >> > > > >> >> > > >Having a dependency on node is not a big deal, it is the 30+ >>other >> >>npm >> >> > > >libraries that always seem to come along, each with varying >>support >> >> for >> >> > > >windows, that I have issues with. >> >> > > > >> >> > > >I will consider writing you a node callable facade, that still >> >>calls >> >> the >> >> > > >.bat and wsh files behind the scenes. >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >@purplecabbage >> >> > > >risingj.com >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Steven Gill >> >><stevengil...@gmail.com> >> >> > > >wrote: >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> To install any plugins you at least need plugman which >>requires >> >> node. >> >> > > >>Our >> >> > > >> users are most likely going to have to install node as a >> >>dependency >> >> at >> >> > > >>some >> >> > > >> point. I don't see why having it as a dependency for platform >> >> > libraries >> >> > > >>is >> >> > > >> such a big deal. >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 11:34 AM, M. Lantz >><mattla...@gmail.com> >> >> > wrote: >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> > +1 >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > Agreed I pretty much only use Cordova cli at this stage to >>make >> >> apps >> >> > > >>and >> >> > > >> > as such don't have any issues keeping my node up to date or >> >> relying >> >> > > >>on is >> >> > > >> > as a dependency. >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > M. Lantz >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > On 2013-08-07, at 1:07 PM, Frank Hennig < >> >> fhe.developm...@gmail.com> >> >> > > >> wrote: >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > > +1 for all platforms >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > I think it's not really an completely new dependency. Some >> >> > > >>components >> >> > > >> > actually depends on node.js like cordova-cli and plugman. >>Many >> >> > > >>developers >> >> > > >> > of cordova app's actually using grunt or bower and other >>node >> >> > related >> >> > > >> stuff >> >> > > >> > to lint or to test their html and js code. >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > A consistent tool and script language it's easier to >> >>maintain an >> >> > to >> >> > > >> > debug. >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > > On Aug 7, 2013, at 12:14 AM, Filip Maj wrote: >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > >> I would like to introduce node.js as a dependency for the >> >> > platform >> >> > > >> > >> libraries, so that the platform scripts (bin/create, >> >> cordova/run, >> >> > > >>etc) >> >> > > >> > are >> >> > > >> > >> written in node. >> >> > > >> > >> >> >> > > >> > >> Pros: >> >> > > >> > >> - For multi-OS platforms (Android, BlackBerry), this >>reduces >> >> > > >>committer >> >> > > >> > >> cognitive load as the scripts do not need to be authored >>in >> >>two >> >> > > >> > different >> >> > > >> > >> script languages (I.e. Shell for unix-y Oses, Wscript for >> >> > Windows) >> >> > > >> > >> - consistency in tool/script language. Cordova-js, coho, >>cli >> >> and >> >> > > >> plugman >> >> > > >> > >> are all written on top of node.js. >> >> > > >> > >> >> >> > > >> > >> Cons: >> >> > > >> > >> - Introducing a new dependency >> >> > > >> > >> >> >> > > >> > >> NB: This is separate from platform-spec; I would like to >>see >> >> > > >> > platform-spec >> >> > > >> > >> created/used regardless of the outcome of this thread. >> >> > > >> > > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >> >>
