Bob,

I can and have been testing the multiview at this scale, it is ok
(fast enough), but I think being able to test inclusion of a document
id in a view without having to loop would be a considerable speed
improvement. If you have any ideas let me know.

thanks,

Norman

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Robert Newson <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm sorry, I've had no time to play with this at scale.
>
> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Norman Barker <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> are there any more comments on this, if not can you describe the
>> process (in particular how to obtain a wiki and jira account for
>> couchdb which I have been unable to do) and I will start documenting
>> this so we can put this into the trunk.
>>
>> Bob, were you able to do any more testing with large views, are there
>> any suggestions on how to speed up the document id inclusion test as
>> described below?
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Norman
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Norman Barker <[email protected]> 
>> wrote:
>>> Bob,
>>>
>>> thanks for the feedback and for taking a look at the code. Guidelines
>>> on when to use a supervisor within couchdb with a gen_server would be
>>> appreciated, currently I have a supervisor and a gen_server, but if
>>> couchdb has a supervision process I could remove that layer.
>>>
>>> I think plugins is a great idea, however intersection of views is such
>>> as common request, perhaps there needs to plugin system and if a
>>> plugin is rated enough it goes into trunk as a core feature.
>>>
>>> the four (or slightly more) summary is here
>>>
>>> http://github.com/normanb/couchdb/raw/trunk/src/couchdb/couch_query_ring.erl
>>>
>>> %
>>> % send an id from the start list to the next node in the ring, if the
>>> id is in adjacent node then the this node sends to the next ring node
>>> ....
>>> % if the id gets all round the ring and back to the start node then is
>>> has intersected all queries and should be included. The nodes in the
>>> ring
>>> % should be sorted in size from small to large for this to be effective
>>> %
>>> % In addition send the initial id list round in parallel
>>>
>>> it really needs some eyes from the core couchdb coders to see how to
>>> speed up the inclusion testing, looping is bad even if it is done in
>>> parallel.
>>>
>>> Multiview is usable, I am using it with some pretty big mega-views (as
>>> per the raindrop) model, I am also available to add features to this
>>> as this is core part of our work and we want to give it to couch as a
>>> contribution.
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>>
>>> Norman
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 5:05 AM, Robert Dionne
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Hi Norman,
>>>>
>>>>  I took a peek at multiview. I haven't followed this too closely on the 
>>>> mailing list but this is *view intersection*? Is there a 5 line summary of 
>>>> what this does somewhere?
>>>>
>>>>  I'm curious as to why the daemon needs to be a supervisor, most if not 
>>>> all of the other daemons are gen_servers. OTP allows this but I think this 
>>>> is a good area where some CouchDB guidelines on plugins would apply.
>>>>
>>>>  It strikes me that views, the use of map/reduce, etc. are one of the 
>>>> trickier aspects of using CouchDB, particularly for new users coming from 
>>>> the SQL world. People are also reporting issues with performance of views, 
>>>> I guess often because reduce functions go out of control.
>>>>
>>>>  I think the project would be better served if features like this were 
>>>> available as plugins. I would put GeoCouch in the same category. Its very 
>>>> neat and timely (given everyone wants to know where everyone else is using 
>>>> their telephone but without talking other than asynchronously), but a 
>>>> server plugin architecture that would allow this to be done cleanly should 
>>>> come first.
>>>>
>>>>  This is just my opinion. I'd love to see some of the project founders and 
>>>> committers weigh in on this and set some direction.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 22, 2010, at 5:45 PM, Norman Barker wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I would like to take this multiview code and have it added to trunk if
>>>>> possible, what are the next steps?
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Norman
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Norman Barker <[email protected]> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I have made
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://github.com/normanb/couchdb
>>>>>>
>>>>>> which is a fork of the latest couchdb trunk with the multiview code
>>>>>> and tests added.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If geocouch is available then it can still be used.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are a couple of questions about the multiview on the user /dev
>>>>>> list so I will be adding some more test cases during today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Norman
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Norman Barker <[email protected]> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> this is possible, I forked geocouch since I use it, but I have already
>>>>>>> separated the geocouch dependencies from the trunk.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can do this tomorrow, certainly be interested in any feedback.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Norman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Volker Mische 
>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 08/18/2010 03:26 AM, J Chris Anderson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 16, 2010, at 4:38 PM, Norman Barker wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have made the changes as recommended, adding a test case
>>>>>>>>>> multiview.js and also adding the userCtx to open the db.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have also forked geocouch and this is available here
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> this patch seems important (especially as people are already asking 
>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>> help using it on user@)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to get it committed, it either must remove the dependency on 
>>>>>>>>> GeoCouch, or
>>>>>>>>> become part of CouchDB when (and if) GeoCouch becomes part of CouchDB.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is it possible / useful to make a version that doesn't use GeoCouch? 
>>>>>>>>> And
>>>>>>>>> then to make the GeoCouch capabilities part GeoCouch for now?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Norman,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> if the patch is ready for trunk, I'd be happy to move the GeoCouch 
>>>>>>>> bits to
>>>>>>>> GeoCouch itself (as GeoCouch isn't ready for trunk yet).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lately I haven't been that responsive when it comes to GeoCouch, but 
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> will change (in about a month) after holidays and FOSS4G.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>  Volker
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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