> On 21 Jun 2015, at 22:32, Robert Kowalski <r...@kowalski.gd> wrote: > > Hi Jan, > > can you give me an status update?
There is no update, sorry! :) Best Jan -- > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 10:05 PM, Jan Lehnardt <j...@apache.org> wrote: >> >>> On 03 Jun 2015, at 22:01, Joan Touzet <woh...@apache.org> wrote: >>> >>>>> On 03 Jun 2015, at 21:46, Joan Touzet <woh...@apache.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> The system of record needs to remain JIRA. >>>>>> >>>>>> Why? >>> >>> Breaking in here again - this question makes it sound like you are >>> arguing against the system of record being JIRA. See below... >>> >>>>> >>>>> Because (ASF Member hat on) if GH goes away, the project would be >>>>> crippled, severely so. Losing the institutional memory of what >>>>> is going on is a serious problem. >>>> >>>> That’s why I suggested the option of a sync bridge like we do with >>>> PRs >>>> (which are just issues with a patch attached). >>> >>> If a new GH Issue is created, are you proposing an Infra bot >>> creates/owns the issue in JIRA? If so then JIRA is still the system >>> of record and I have little-to-no issue. >>> >>>> >>>>> Because otherwise you need to migrate a couple thousand bugs >>>>> out of JIRA, including all history, into GH, which is problematic >>>>> and >>>>> will certainly result in a loss of fidelity. >>>> >>>> Why? I didn’t suggest retiring JIRA. >>> >>> I thought you were. My mistake. If we are just considering GH Issues >>> as a frontend to JIRA, and JIRA remains the system of record, similar >>> to how GH is just a front end for getting things officially merged >>> into our ASF git repo, I am fine. >>> >>>>> Do not conflate system performance with reason for existence and >>>>> utility. Would you feel differently if performance was up to par? >>>> >>>> I find the UI overly complex, uninviting and downright confusing, no >>>> matter the performance, but the fact that it takes 30-60 seconds for >>>> every interaction makes me going to JIRA the rarest occasion. I can’t >>>> imagine how this feels to the regular / drive contributor, because I >>>> have the patience to sit through this. >>> >>> I regularly use a JIRA instance with zero performance issues and it's >>> a joy to use, especially the task planning board where cards are >>> dragged around. It's really not far off from the Trello user experience >>> except there are more things that can be filled in. >>> >>>>> We should definitely take up this issue with Infra *separately* as >>>>> the inability for us to do our work within the system clearly is >>>>> having a material impact. >>>> >>>> +1. >>> >>> As you are the one having the most issues, can you start the discussion >>> with Infra? ;) >> >> Will do, if Robert doesn’t beat me to it :) >> >> Thanks Joan, sorry for the crossed wires! >> >> Best >> Jan >> -- >> -- Professional Support for Apache CouchDB: http://www.neighbourhood.ie/couchdb-support/
