I'm sure Discourse is a fantastic thing (never used it!) but for us dinosaurs that still use Email it would be a bad move.
Plain text rulez On 12 March 2020 23:37:18 GMT+00:00, Joan Touzet <woh...@apache.org> wrote: >FYI, WikiMedia are currently looking at moving from mailing lists to >Discourse and have done a comprehensive fit/gap analysis. Here's their >results, as current as 7 March 2020. > >https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Discourse > >Looks like email integration is still a problem, and specifically the >problem of only-mailing list users being "left behind" (i.e., the >bridge >seems to only work correctly one-way.) Other complications include data > >export. > >-Joan > >On 2020-03-12 14:56, Marcus wrote: >> The Discourse development team are always very helpful, and >friendly. >> >> http://meta.discourse.org >> >> I am sure they would help CouchDB comply with Apache rules, if there >are any technical issues. Once it has been discussed with Apache of >course. >> >> Discourse is excellent software. Thoughtfully designed and well >maintained. I had a Discourse server running on Digital Ocean for two >years. >> >> It’s really nice to use and gives the community more of a >campfire/hub feeling. >> >> Discourse is nothing like the old style forum software. There are >some talks on YouTube where Jeff (aka codinghorror) discusses how he >designed it (I think it was a talk at MIT?). It’s really interesting >from a design and development perspective. >> >> Marcus >> >> >>> On 12. Mar 2020, at 18:27, Joan Touzet <woh...@apache.org> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Garren, thanks for thinking ahead on this one. >>> >>>> On 2020-03-12 10:32, Garren Smith wrote: >>>> Hi All, >>>> The CouchDB slack channel has been a real success with lots of >people >>>> asking for help and getting involved. The main issue is that it is >not >>>> searchable so we often get people asking the same questions over >and over. >>>> The user mailing list is great in that sense that if you have >subscribed to >>>> it you have a searchable list of questions and answers. However, >it's >>>> really not user-friendly and judging by the fact that it has very >low user >>>> participation I'm guessing most people prefer to use slack to ask >questions. >>>> I've been really impressed with how the FoundationDB forum[1] and >the rust >>>> internal forum work [2]. I find them easy to use and really >encourage >>>> participation. >>> >>> I've been having trouble getting Discourse to send me email >notification when someone follows up to my responses to a thread I >didn't start. I think I've enabled the correct settings, but it's not >acting as expected. Hrm. >>> >>> I do know that Discourse has a full "mailing list mode," I just >haven't wanted 100% of the email from FoundationDB's forum to end up in >my inbox. (I *would* want that for user and dev@couchdb.a.o.) >>> >>>> I would like to propose that we move our user and dev >>>> discussion to Discourse or a forum that works as well as Discourse. >I think >>>> that would make it really easy for users of CouchDB to look up >answers to >>>> questions and get involved in the development discussion. >>>> I haven't checked yet, but I'm sure we could get all discourse >threads to >>>> automatically email back to the user and dev mailing list so that >we still >>>> fulfill our Apache requirements. >>> >>> We'd for sure have to have everything land on the Apache CouchDB >mailing lists as well as here to meet Apache rules and regulations. >And, of course, Infrastructure is going to have to approve the move, >possibly the Board as well. >>> >>> With the lists still existing forever, Discourse would need to be >configured to accept email responses as well, from people emailing dev@ >or user@, meaning a *bi-directional email gateway* will likely have to >be written/integrated. (I very much doubt Infra will be willing to >redirect dev@/user@ _directly_ into Discourse.) >>> >>> Thus, the bottleneck on the proposal is going to be Infrastructure's >desire to move ahead, as well as their ability to put resources on >solving the integration issues (unless you're willing to directly >volunteer to help code that up.) >>> >>> Infra may, for instance, want to host Discourse themselves (if I >recall correctly, it is self-hostable), and may find some friction >between that and the nascent Pony Mail project that serves out >lists.apache.org - if not technically, from human factors. >>> >>> You should, at a bare minimum, familiarise yourself with >https://lists.apache.org/list.html?dev@couchdb.apache.org and determine >why it doesn't meet our needs. A bullet-point list would be prudent; >Infra is bound to raise this as their first point. >>> >>>> I know its a big step away from what we're used to with our mailing >lists, >>>> but I think it would definitely open up our community. >>> >>> I'm in support of the idea, but the devil's in the implementation >details. Like our efforts with git, and Slack, someone is going to have >to work together with Infra on this for a few months to make it >reality. I really hope you're volunteering to step up to that role. I >certainly don't have the time. >>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Garren >>> >>> -Joan >>> >>>> [1] https://forums.foundationdb.org/ >>>> [2] https://internals.rust-lang.org/ >>
