>From experience with slack channels, I like the separate users@ vs dev@ model. I'd be fine with a footer appending to messages, if apache supports it and we want it, on ther users@ inviting people to joining dev@ to get involved with development. So I'm very much not trying to hide the dev@ list. just keep user questions separate from development questions.
The google group has always been intended as a forum for users to ask questions. It was occasionally used to report an issue (although people are generally creating issues in git, which is better), although a significant majority of code posted there was from user code, trying to understand what wasn't working. I think there have been a couple threads asking about something in the library code itself, but they've been rare. jon On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 11:27 AM leerho <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Dave, > > I collected stats for 2019 and the average # of posts per month is 15 with > wide variability from 0 to 50 per month. > > One concern about consolidating the traffic onto dev@ is that I think a > number of new users might hesitate to submit naive questions on the > developer list because they don't view themselves as developers and don't > want to intrude. A list labeled as "users" clearly includes new users and > I think would be more friendly. > > A second issue is separation of traffic. For example, our science members > are not in a position to support new users and I would prefer to give them > the option of not signing up for the users@ traffic. > > An additional thought is that if we set up the users@ list now we would > not have to migrate them out of the dev@ list later and we wouldn't have > to have all our users do yet another migration. > > I'd like to hear from some other folks about these issues. > > Lee. > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 10:50 AM Dave Fisher <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi - >> >> What types of discussions are frequent on the google group? How many >> posts are typical? >> >> It might be good to coalesce the community on the dev@ until there are >> clearly enough users and volume of email to need a users@ mailing list. >> >> Regards, >> Dave >> >> On Feb 6, 2020, at 1:22 PM, leerho <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Folks, >> >> This is a call for a vote on the following: >> >> I propose that we deprecate the Google Groups >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/sketches-user> forum and direct >> users to a newly created users@ email list. >> >> The steps would be as follows: >> >> 1. Create a new [email protected] email list. >> 2. Clearly mark the existing Google Groups site as deprecated and >> direct users to the new list. >> 3. Update all references to the Google Groups site on our web site >> and repository READMEs to the new list. >> >> This vote will be performed in one stage: >> - This letter will be published on dev@ and remain open for at least >> 72 hours and at least 3 (+1) PPMC votes or a majority of (+1) are acquired. >> All PPMC members including Mentors can vote. >> >> Please vote accordingly: >> >> [ ] +1 approve >> [ ] +0 no opinion >> [ ] -1 disapprove with the reason >> >> Thanks, >> Lee Rhodes >> [email protected] >> >> >>
