wonder if 2 is really a *public* question once 1 is decided Romain Manni-Bucau Twitter: @rmannibucau Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/ LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau
2014-02-23 23:26 GMT+01:00 Thomas Andraschko <andraschko.tho...@gmail.com>: > Shoudln't we do 2 polls? > > 1) Should we introduce a global qualifier instead @web? If yes, which name? > 2) Alternative for JsfPhaseListener? > - keep it as it is > - just rename it as it redudant > - use the global qualifier + introduce a second annotation for setting > the ordinal > > > > > 2014-02-23 23:21 GMT+01:00 Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com>: > >> maybe we can do a public poll? >> >> 1) Keep it like it >> 2) @DeltaSpike >> 3) ordinal() >> 4) other? >> Romain Manni-Bucau >> Twitter: @rmannibucau >> Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/ >> LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau >> Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau >> >> >> >> 2014-02-23 23:18 GMT+01:00 Thomas Andraschko <andraschko.tho...@gmail.com >> >: >> > If it was agreed, we should leave @JsfPhaseListener as it is... >> > >> > Sorry if i'm a bit annoying but... >> > I still like the idea of a global qualifier instead @Web. >> > As Romain said, it would see it as an namespace -> >> > @Inject @DeltaSpike ServletContext context >> > looks good. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > 2014-02-23 23:01 GMT+01:00 Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com >> >: >> > >> >> at other parts you specify an artifact with an interface, annotation,... >> >> and at the same point (if possible) you are able to specify the ordinal >> >> (without an extra annotation). >> >> that's easier for users and therefore we agreed on it in the beginning. >> >> >> >> regards, >> >> gerhard >> >> >> >> http://www.irian.at >> >> >> >> Your JSF/JavaEE powerhouse - >> >> JavaEE Consulting, Development and >> >> Courses in English and German >> >> >> >> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2014-02-23 22:48 GMT+01:00 Thomas Andraschko < >> andraschko.tho...@gmail.com >> >> >: >> >> >> >> > which consistency gerhard? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > 2014-02-23 22:45 GMT+01:00 Gerhard Petracek < >> gerhard.petra...@gmail.com >> >> >: >> >> > >> >> > > independent of the name, we would break the consistency. >> >> > > >> >> > > regards, >> >> > > gerhard >> >> > > >> >> > > http://www.irian.at >> >> > > >> >> > > Your JSF/JavaEE powerhouse - >> >> > > JavaEE Consulting, Development and >> >> > > Courses in English and German >> >> > > >> >> > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > 2014-02-23 22:40 GMT+01:00 Romain Manni-Bucau < >> rmannibu...@gmail.com>: >> >> > > >> >> > > > using javax.* from deltaspike is quite ambiguous: is it a DS >> behavior >> >> > > > or a spec one? I'm no opposed Priority but in >> >> > > > org.apache.deltaspile...Priority >> >> > > > Romain Manni-Bucau >> >> > > > Twitter: @rmannibucau >> >> > > > Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/ >> >> > > > LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau >> >> > > > Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > 2014-02-23 22:34 GMT+01:00 Thomas Andraschko < >> >> > > andraschko.tho...@gmail.com >> >> > > > >: >> >> > > > > Could you explain this? I can't follow you. >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > > 2014-02-23 22:23 GMT+01:00 Romain Manni-Bucau < >> >> rmannibu...@gmail.com >> >> > >: >> >> > > > > >> >> > > > >> I'd prefer something more explicit. Just changing the package >> >> would >> >> > be >> >> > > > >> enough for me >> >> > > > >> Romain Manni-Bucau >> >> > > > >> Twitter: @rmannibucau >> >> > > > >> Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/ >> >> > > > >> LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau >> >> > > > >> Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> 2014-02-23 22:17 GMT+01:00 Thomas Andraschko < >> >> > > > andraschko.tho...@gmail.com >> >> > > > >> >: >> >> > > > >> > Hmm... >> >> > > > >> > We could clone it for JEE6 support and handle both >> annotations >> >> for >> >> > > > >> backward >> >> > > > >> > compatibility. >> >> > > > >> > Maybe we could also use it for other features (or later..) >> >> > > > >> > >> >> > > > >> > >> >> > > > >> > 2014-02-23 22:14 GMT+01:00 Romain Manni-Bucau < >> >> > > rmannibu...@gmail.com >> >> > > > >: >> >> > > > >> > >> >> > > > >> >> That's would be ambiguous with JavaEE 6 >> >> > > > >> >> Romain Manni-Bucau >> >> > > > >> >> Twitter: @rmannibucau >> >> > > > >> >> Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/ >> >> > > > >> >> LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau >> >> > > > >> >> Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> 2014-02-23 22:12 GMT+01:00 Thomas Andraschko < >> >> > > > >> andraschko.tho...@gmail.com >> >> > > > >> >> >: >> >> > > > >> >> > What about reusing javax.annotation.Priority? >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > 2014-02-23 22:02 GMT+01:00 Gerhard Petracek < >> >> > > > >> gerhard.petra...@gmail.com >> >> > > > >> >> >: >> >> > > > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> >> it's just a stereotype to get a better tool-support... >> >> > > > >> >> >> @Advanced is also a qualifier (at least in codi). >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> however, we need "ordinal" or we add @InvocationOrder as >> it >> >> > was >> >> > > in >> >> > > > >> codi. >> >> > > > >> >> >> once we do that, we break the consistency in that area. >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> regards, >> >> > > > >> >> >> gerhard >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> http://www.irian.at >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> Your JSF/JavaEE powerhouse - >> >> > > > >> >> >> JavaEE Consulting, Development and >> >> > > > >> >> >> Courses in English and German >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> 2014-02-23 21:41 GMT+01:00 Thomas Andraschko < >> >> > > > >> >> andraschko.tho...@gmail.com >> >> > > > >> >> >> >: >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > Another problem is that @web is a qualifier and >> >> > > > @JsfPhaseListener >> >> > > > >> is a >> >> > > > >> >> >> > stereotype and not a qualifier. >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> >> > So if we would change it, we must use different >> >> annotations. >> >> > > > Right? >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> >> > IMO >> >> > > > >> >> >> > @Inject @DeltaSpike ServletContext context; >> >> > > > >> >> >> > would be great as it's just like a namespace. >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> >> > For the @JsfPhaseListener, something like @Advanced >> would >> >> be >> >> > > > >> better. >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> >> > 2014-02-18 11:16 GMT+01:00 Thomas Andraschko < >> >> > > > >> >> >> andraschko.tho...@gmail.com >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >: >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > IMO it's actually more expressive than any other >> names. >> >> > > Maybe >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > @DeltaSpikeManaged would be more impressive... >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > +1 @DeltaSpike then, before keeping the old >> >> > redudant/"ugly" >> >> > > > >> >> qualifiers. >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > 2014-02-18 10:51 GMT+01:00 Romain Manni-Bucau < >> >> > > > >> >> rmannibu...@gmail.com>: >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > +1 kind of tradeoff >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> Romain Manni-Bucau >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> Twitter: @rmannibucau >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/ >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> 2014-02-18 10:46 GMT+01:00 Gerhard Petracek < >> >> > > > >> >> >> gerhard.petra...@gmail.com >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >: >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> > we haven't seen a nice name so far -> i would keep >> >> what >> >> > > we >> >> > > > >> have >> >> > > > >> >> >> right >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> now >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> > (it's redundant, but at least a bit more >> expressive). >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> > regards, >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> > gerhard >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> > 2014-02-18 10:20 GMT+01:00 Mark Struberg < >> >> > > > strub...@yahoo.de>: >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> I do agree on @Managed not being very expressive. >> >> > Think >> >> > > > about >> >> > > > >> >> the >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> @ManagedBean disaster in JavaEE itself. >> 'Managed' is >> >> > in >> >> > > > the >> >> > > > >> same >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> ballpark >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> like 'Class' or 'Object'. >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> Managed by whom and what? >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> In that case I'd rather go with @DeltaSpike or >> keep >> >> > > > @Web... >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> But I do not care that much about names... >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> LieGrue, >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> strub >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> On Tuesday, 18 February 2014, 10:15, Romain >> >> > Manni-Bucau >> >> > > < >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> rmannibu...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> @Gerhard: yeah but managed is not expressive, >> doesnt >> >> > > give >> >> > > > the >> >> > > > >> >> >> origin >> >> > > > >> >> >> > + >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >is quite standard for jmxso i would avoid it. >> That >> >> > said >> >> > > > it >> >> > > > >> >> doesnt >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >bring any feature so i dont want to fight for a >> >> name. >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >Romain Manni-Bucau >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >Twitter: @rmannibucau >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/ >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >2014-02-18 10:12 GMT+01:00 Gerhard Petracek < >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> gerhard.petra...@gmail.com>: >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> @romain: >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> you will always have same/similar terms in >> >> > different >> >> > > > areas >> >> > > > >> >> (see >> >> > > > >> >> >> > e.g. >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> "message"). >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> regards, >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> gerhard >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >>
