Christian Lohmaier wrote:

> > Easy?? !!
> 
> It is an easy attitide because you can always blame the others for your
> changes not making it through.

I am NOT throwing blame around. What I said was that I have provided 
rewrites for several OOo pages that were poorly done, and have fought 
tooth and nail to get them updated, and have met almost zero success.

> I don't say that all is fine with the process. But when you want
> something changes, you must push it yourself. It is sad, but it is the truth.

I have worked in other open soruce projects. I have never seen a project 
that was so resistant to improvements as OOo.

> > And then I pick another, and another, and another, and everything I submit 
> > goes ignored but I keep working nonetheless.
> 
> It is unfortunaltely not enough to submit one impovement and then leave
> it to the others.

I don't think you understand how many months I spend fighting tooth and 
nail for changes that I try to get made. No matter how trivial. Fixing a 
link, updating a picture. Even those I have fought for over a period of 
months without success. I work *very* hard at OOo. I work as much as any 
paid employee, and possibly more than many paid employees. So don't treat 
me like I just "submit one improvement and the leave it".

> Again: The process is /not/ easy. It is easy to give up.

You seem to be truly oblivious to the problems around.
Have you worked on other FOSS projects? Contributing to Gnome, Mono and 
Ruby was a walk in the park compared to OOo.


> > I was one of the 
> > founders of the OpenClipArt project, because I was hoping that OOo would 
> > use the clipart. But inspite all my efforts, nothing has been accepted. 
> 
> This is another issue because of licensing and other issues (problems
> with the contents for some countries, and similar)

Licensing????   What do you mean licensing?
Have you followed the project? It's public domain!
It's free for anyone to use under no restrictions, no rules, no copyright. 
This was chosen from the beginning, so the contents could be used by 
anyone. And especifically, OpenClipArt was set up so that its product 
could be use by OpenOffice.org. I made sure of that.


> > > You don't complain about the documentation, you complain about the
> > > system itself. These are two very different things.
> > 
> > Both are broken.
> 
> Again: It is aleays easy to tell "this is broken". But you fail to give
> concrete examples in this case.
> The system cannot be changed.

You have plenty of information, why do I have to repeat myself or repeat 
what Jean has said? Steps are out of order, they reference external 
material, they are poorly lableed (e.g. lack of "instructions for Unix") 
they presume a great deal of knowledge (shells, tunelling, ssh), and a 
great deal of text is spent in saying very little, which only serves to 
make the contents more daunting.

These are all things that I've said before, nothing new.

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