Jake, I think that Julian was trying make a point about the use of the complete name Apache Arrow, not thinking about the project name in isolation. That being said I completely agree that it is not a derogatory term. I might make a case that the logo should be a mathematical representation of an arrow rather than one with a big cartoonish arrowhead if we did go with it.
+1 to a vote - Jason On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Julien Le Dem <jul...@dremio.com> wrote: > +1 > > On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 6:34 PM, Wes McKinney <w...@cloudera.com> wrote: > > > Should we have a last call for votes, closing EOD tomorrow (Tuesday)? I > > missed this for a few days last week with holiday travel. > > > > On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Julian Hyde <jul...@hydromatic.net> > > wrote: > > > > > Consulting a lawyer is part of the Apache branding process but the > first > > > stage is to gather a list of potential conflicts - > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-90 is an > > example. > > > > > > The other part, frankly, is to pick your battles. > > > > > > A year or so ago Actian re-branded Vectorwise as Vector. > > > > > > http://www.zdnet.com/article/actian-consolidates-its-analytics-portfolio/. > > > Given that it is an analytic database in the Hadoop space I think that > is > > > as close to a “direct hit” as it gets. I don’t think we need a lawyer > to > > > tell us that. Certainly it makes sense to look for conflicts for the > > other > > > alternatives before consulting lawyers. > > > > > > Julian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 25, 2015, at 9:42 PM, Marcel Kornacker <mar...@cloudera.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Jacques Nadeau <jacq...@dremio.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Ok guys, > > >> > > >> I don't think anyone is doing a thorough analysis of viaability. I > did a > > >> quick glance and the top one (Vector) seems like it would have an > issue > > >> with conflict of an Actian product. The may be fine. Let's do a second > > >> phase vote. > > >> > > > > > > I'm assuming you mean Vectorwise? > > > > > > Before we do anything else, could we have a lawyer look into this? Last > > > time around that I remember (Parquet), Twitter's lawyers did a good job > > of > > > weeding out the potential trademark violations. > > > > > > Alex, could Twitter get involved this time around as well? > > > > > > > > >> > > >> Pick your top 3 (1,2,3 with 3 being top preference) > > >> > > >> Let's get this done by Friday and then we can do a podling name search > > >> starting with the top one. > > >> > > >> Link again: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q6UqluW6SLuMKRwW2TBGBzHfYLlXYm37eKJlIxWQGQM/edit#gid=304381532&vpid=A1 > > >> > > >> thanks > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Jacques Nadeau > > >> CTO and Co-Founder, Dremio > > >> > > >> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 9:24 AM, Jacques Nadeau <jacq...@dremio.com> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >>> Ok, it looks like we have a candidate list (we actually got 11 since > > >>> there was a three-way tie for ninth place): > > >>> > > >>> VectorArrowhoneycombHerringbonejoistV2Pietcolbufbatonimpulsevictor > > >>> Next we need to do trademark searches on each of these to see whether > > >>> we're likely to have success. I've moved candidates to a second tab: > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q6UqluW6SLuMKRwW2TBGBzHfYLlXYm37eKJlIxWQGQM/edit#gid=304381532 > > >>> > > >>> Anybody want to give a hand in analyzing potential conflicts? > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> Jacques Nadeau > > >>> CTO and Co-Founder, Dremio > > >>> > > >>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Jacques Nadeau <jacq...@dremio.com > > > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Everybody should pick their ten favorites using the numbers 1 to 10. > > >>>> > > >>>> 10 is most preferred > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> Jacques Nadeau > > >>>> CTO and Co-Founder, Dremio > > >>>> > > >>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Ted Dunning < > ted.dunn...@gmail.com> > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Single vote for most preferred? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Single transferable vote? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 2:50 AM, Jacques Nadeau < > jacq...@dremio.com> > > >>>>> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> Given that a bunch of people added names to the sheet, I'll take > > that > > >>>>>> as tacit agreement to the proposed process. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Let's move to the first vote phase. I've added a column for > > >>>>>> everybody's votes. Let's try to wrap up the vote by 10am on > > Wednesday. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> thanks! > > >>>>>> Jacques > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> -- > > >>>>>> Jacques Nadeau > > >>>>>> CTO and Co-Founder, Dremio > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 12:03 PM, Jacques Nadeau < > > jacq...@apache.org> > > >>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Hey Guys, > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> It sounds like we need to do a little more work on the Vector > > >>>>>>> proposal > > >>>>>>> before the board would like to consider it. The main point of > > >>>>>>> contention > > >>>>>>> right now is the name of the project. We need to decide on a name > > >>>>>>> and get > > >>>>>>> it signed off through PODLINGNAMESEARCH. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Naming is extremely subjective so I'd like to propose a process > for > > >>>>>>> selection that minimizes pain. This is an initial proposal and > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> We do the naming in the following steps > > >>>>>>> - 1: Collect a set of names to be considered > > >>>>>>> - 2: Run a vote for 2 days where each member ranks their top 10 > > >>>>>>> options > > >>>>>>> 1..10 > > >>>>>>> - 3: Take the top ten vote getters and do a basic analysis of > > >>>>>>> whether we > > >>>>>>> think that any have legal issues. Keep dropping names that have > > this > > >>>>>>> until > > >>>>>>> we get with 10 reasonably solid candidate names > > >>>>>>> - 5: Take the top ten names and give people 48 hours to rank > their > > >>>>>>> top 3 > > >>>>>>> names > > >>>>>>> - 6: Start a PODLINGNAMESEARCH on the top rank one, if that > doesn't > > >>>>>>> work, > > >>>>>>> try the second and third options. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> I suggest we take name suggestions for step 1 from everyone but > > then > > >>>>>>> constrain the voting to the newly proposed project [1]. We could > > >>>>>>> just do > > >>>>>>> this in a private email thread but I think doing it on Drill dev > is > > >>>>>>> better > > >>>>>>> in the interest of transparency. This isn't the perfect place for > > >>>>>>> that but > > >>>>>>> I'm not sure a better place exists. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> I'm up for changing any or all of this depending on what others > > >>>>>>> think. Just > > >>>>>>> wanted to get the ball rolling on a proposed process. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> If this works, I've posted a doc at [2] that we can use for step > 1. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Thanks, > > >>>>>>> Jacques > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> [1] List of proposed new project members/voters: Todd Lipcon, Ted > > >>>>>>> Dunning, > > >>>>>>> Michael Stack, P. Taylor Goetz, Julian Hyde, Julien Le Dem, > Jacques > > >>>>>>> Nadeau, > > >>>>>>> James Taylor, Jake Luciani, Parth Chandra, Alex Levenson, Marcel > > >>>>>>> Kornacker, > > >>>>>>> Steven Phillips, Hanifi Gunes, Wes McKinney, Jason Altekruse, > David > > >>>>>>> Alves, > > >>>>>>> Zain Asgar, Ippokratis Pandis, Abdel Hakim Deneche, Reynold Xin. > > >>>>>>> [2] > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q6UqluW6SLuMKRwW2TBGBzHfYLlXYm37eKJlIxWQGQM/edit#gid=0 > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Julien >
