Anyone have thoughts on the above? If there are no objections, I'll reach out privately to any current committer that isn't on the PPMC and ask if they are interested in joining the top level PMC, and then add those names to the proposed resolution.
On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 10:23 PM Gian Merlino <g...@apache.org> wrote: > > Instead of just the initial committers, how about making all committers > members of the PMC? > > It sounds good to me; is that something that should be automatic or > something that should be affirmatively assented to by each of those people > that aren't currently on the PPMC? (On list or privately…?). I went reading > through some ASF docs online, they are quite explicit about proper > procedure for managing PMC membership for top level projects (private vote, > private invitation, acceptance of invitation, etc) but I couldn't find much > about PPMC -> PMC transition. > > > Some of the names on your list have not been active since incubation, so > maybe give them a chance to decline membership of the PMC? > > I thought about that, but left it alone, since I didn't want to be > policing who counts as active and who doesn't. I'm happy to remove anyone > that isn't interested in joining. Would this thread existing be enough of a > 'chance to decline' or would it be better for me to email folks directly > and ask them if they're interested in continuing on from the PPMC on to the > "real" PMC? > > > Most projects invite their mentors to join the PMC, as they are PPMC > members. Also they are ASF members, and it is useful to have one or two > members fighting your corner. > > I had just looked at a few other recent resolutions to model ours off, and > generally didn't see mentors on them, so assumed that was the normal thing > to do. Speaking for myself I would be happy to have any of you (Julian, > Jun, Taylor) if you're interested. It sounds like you might be, Julian, > which if so is great. > > Gian > > On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 10:45 AM Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote: > >> Instead of just the initial committers, how about making all committers >> members of the PMC? >> >> Some of the names on your list have not been active since incubation, so >> maybe give them a chance to decline membership of the PMC? >> >> As you can tell, I skew towards recent engagement rather than merit >> earned in the project’s pre-Apache history. >> >> Most projects invite their mentors to join the PMC, as they are PPMC >> members. Also they are ASF members, and it is useful to have one or two >> members fighting your corner. >> >> There is very little harm to having a large PMC from a diversity of >> companies, and much to be gained. >> >> Julian >> >> >> For reference, here is Gian’s proposed list: >> >> * Charles Allen >> * David Lim >> * Eric Tschetter >> * Fangjin Yang >> * Gian Merlino >> * Himanshu Gupta >> * Jihoon Son >> * Jonathan Wei >> * Kurt Young >> * Lijin Bin >> * Maxime Beauchemin >> * Nishant Bangarwa >> * Parag Jain >> * Roman Leventov >> * Slim Bouguerra >> * Xavier Léauté >> >> And here is the list of current committers: >> >> * Benedict Jin >> * Lijin Bin >> * Slim Bouguerra >> * Eric Tschetter >> * Charles Allen >> * Clint Wylie >> * David Lim >> * Dylan Wylie >> * Egor Ryashin >> * Fangjin Yang >> * Dayue Gao >> * Gian Merlino >> * Himanshu Gupta >> * Julian Hyde >> * Jihoon Son >> * Jonathan Wei >> * Jun Rao >> * Kaijian Ding >> * Kurt Young >> * Roman Leventov >> * Maxime Beauchemin >> * Niketh Sabbineni >> * Nishant Bangarwa >> * Parag Jain >> * P. Taylor Goetz >> * Mingming Qiu >> * Surekha Saharan >> * Xavier Léauté >> * Xinyu Zhang >> >> >> Julian >> >> >> > On Jun 25, 2019, at 8:53 AM, Fangjin Yang <fang...@imply.io> wrote: >> > >> > +1 to start the formal vote >> > >> > On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 8:45 AM Gian Merlino <g...@apache.org> wrote: >> > >> >> Hey all, >> >> >> >> I've prepared a draft resolution based on the above discussion: >> >> https://gist.github.com/gianm/373153126ecab63cf2ea6596e1468f46 >> >> >> >> And also self assessed us against the maturity model: >> >> https://gist.github.com/gianm/33ae4d61ebaa8b8714d9e2f51a11e7f7 >> >> >> >> In this self-assessment, three things that come up as areas for >> improvement >> >> are better documenting our release process (RE50), publicly posting a >> place >> >> where security issues can be confidentially reported (QU30), and >> posting a >> >> list of PMC members online (CS10), perhaps once we have a proper PMC. >> >> >> >> Could people please review the above documents? Assuming they look in >> order >> >> then I will start a formal VOTE. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 11:59 AM Gian Merlino <g...@apache.org> wrote: >> >> >> >>> I've updated the status page: >> >>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/druid.html. I think it's pretty >> >>> accurate now. I will start going through the other stuff on the >> >> graduation >> >>> list too. Is anyone interested in self-assessing us against the >> maturity >> >>> model? Like Julian said it isn't required, but, maybe nice to have >> >> anyway. >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 9:34 PM Slim Bouguerra < >> slim.bougue...@gmail.com >> >>> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Thanks Gian for taking the lead on this! >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 11:50 PM Himanshu <g.himan...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> SGTM >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 6:16 PM Gian Merlino <g...@apache.org> >> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> I just read through that guide. It seems there is still some work >> to >> >>>> do, >> >>>>>> including updating our status file, etc. It doesn't look like much >> >>>> and I >> >>>>>> should be able to get those things done today & tomorrow. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> PMC chair seems like mostly a secretarial job, is that right? Based >> >>>> on: >> >>>>>> https://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair the responsibilities are >> >>>> stuff >> >>>>>> like writing reports for the board, monitoring lists for >> >>>> communications >> >>>>>> from the board, and recordkeeping related to new committers & >> >>>> committer >> >>>>>> roster. I can volunteer for this if that works for people, & also >> >>>> write >> >>>>> up >> >>>>>> a charter. I checked out a few examples, they seem to be pretty >> >>>>>> straightforward. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> As to who will be on the PMC, I figure same as the current PPMC is >> a >> >>>>>> reasonable place to start. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 5:30 PM Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> >> >> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Before starting a vote, read through >> >>>>>>> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html < >> >>>>>>> https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html>. E.g. you >> >>>> need a >> >>>>>>> charter, agree the text of the resolution for the board, and >> >> decide >> >>>> who >> >>>>>>> will be on the PMC, and who will be PMC chair. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Jun 13, 2019, at 2:24 PM, Gian Merlino <g...@apache.org> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> It is not (it'd have VOTE in the title if it was). But it looks >> >>>> like >> >>>>>>>> consensus is that we should do an official vote! I can start one >> >>>> in a >> >>>>>> bit >> >>>>>>>> if there are no objections. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 2:18 PM Fangjin Yang <fang...@imply.io> >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Is this thread an official vote? >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 11:05 AM Jihoon Son < >> >>>> jihoon...@apache.org> >> >>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> +1 >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 10:10 AM Nishant Bangarwa < >> >>>>>> nish...@apache.org> >> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> +1 >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 10:33 PM Charles Allen < >> >>>>> cral...@apache.org> >> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 7, 2019, 9:27 PM Gian Merlino <g...@apache.org> >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Druids, >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Druid has been in the incubator for a while, and we have >> >>>> done 4 >> >>>>>>>>>>> releases >> >>>>>>>>>>>> so >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> far (0.13.0, 0.14.0, 0.14.1, and 0.14.2) with a 5th on the >> >>>> way. >> >>>>>>>>> There >> >>>>>>>>>>> has >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> been some discussion off-list recently about pushing for >> >>>>>> graduation >> >>>>>>>>>> and >> >>>>>>>>>>>> it >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> was pointed out that it is way past time to have a >> >> discussion >> >>>>>> about >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> graduation readiness on-list. So the topic of discussion >> >> for >> >>>>> this >> >>>>>>>>>>> thread >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> is: are we ready to graduate? >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Here are some links I'm aware of that describe what a >> >> podling >> >>>>>> needs >> >>>>>>>>>> to >> >>>>>>>>>>> do >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to be able to graduate. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) http://incubator.apache.org/projects/druid.html >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >> >> https://incubator.apache.org/policy/incubation.html#graduating_from_the_incubator >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 4) https://whimsy.apache.org/pods/project/druid >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> We have done a lot of the hard stuff already. I think in >> >>>> terms >> >>>>> of >> >>>>>>>>>>>> community >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> robustness and adherence to the Apache Way, we were there >> >>>> before >> >>>>>> we >> >>>>>>>>>>> even >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> got into the incubator. Known remaining items (known by me, >> >>>> at >> >>>>>>>>>> least): >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> - Website migration from http://druid.io/ to >> >>>>>>>>>> https://druid.apache.org/ >> >>>>>>>>>>> . >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Current status: full details are in the the "proposed >> >> website >> >>>>>>>>>> migration >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> thread", but TLDR is that site migration is almost >> >> complete, >> >>>>>>>>>> hopefully >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> within days of being done. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> - Website content update to match (1) above: not sure if >> >> it's >> >>>>>> being >> >>>>>>>>>>>> worked >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> on, but shouldn't take long. Contribs welcome. >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we are good on other stuff, but I might have missed >> >>>>>>>>> something >> >>>>>>>>>>> so >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> please chime in anyone / everyone. Here's looking forward >> >> to >> >>>>>>>>>>> graduation!! >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> >> >>>> B-Slim >> >>>> >> _______/\/\/\_______/\/\/\_______/\/\/\_______/\/\/\_______/\/\/\_______ >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@druid.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@druid.apache.org >> >>
