Thank you, these are interesting data points. D. On Tue, 3 Sep 2019, 1:50 am Sheng Wu, <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think that is not the case of don't having Chinese page. We > We should admit that some people actually have troubles in reading and > writing English, and as a diversity community, we have nothing wrong to > support them, especially wr have many native Chinese sprakers. > > Apache is preferring to keep doc, discussion and decision in English at > least, for welcoming more people join, like you said, which is why I asked > ppmc to make English part better than now, but nothing wrong about adopting > more. > > All from my sides, I am a part of a tlp in Apache, most core maintainers > are still native speakers, but they could work well in English, and we have > English and Chinese docs. I didn't see this is a block to community build. > > For ECharts case, the contribution path is not clear, and leak of guides > from ppmc are my thoughts. > > Danny Angus <da...@apache.org>于2019年9月3日 周二上午12:25写道： > >> What do you think about having pages in Chinese that explain why we >> prefer to all use English? >> d. >> >> On Mon, 2 Sep 2019 at 07:21, Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > Yes. I think so. That is why I am asking them to keep project documents >> and websites in dual languages. >> > >> > Sheng Wu 吴晟 >> > >> > Apache SkyWalking, Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating), Zipkin >> > Twitter, wusheng1108 >> > >> > >> > Danny Angus <danny.an...@gmail.com> 于2019年9月2日周一 下午1:47写道： >> >> >> >> This raises a question for me, if you are finding it hard to increase >> contributors, could this be related to using Chinese? I would hypothesise >> that using English for all things would make it harder for some Chinese >> speakers to contribute, but much easier for people who don't speak Chinese >> to get involved with the project. >> >> Just my 2c >> >> Danny >> >> >> >> On Sun, 25 Aug 2019, 5:03 am Sheng Wu, <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Hi Echarts PPMC and contributor team >> >>> >> >>> From the ECharts incubator report, Echarts is facing serious issues >> of following the Apache way. >> >>> ECharts has been in Apache Incubator 1.5 years, which is a long time. >> But the ECharts still acts like a GitHub OSS, rather than Apache project. >> >>> In Apache, we are helping project believing the Apache way, rather >> than convincing or forcing project to do something. The progress of ECharts >> makes a lot of concerns in Incubator. >> >>> As in my personal connection w/ ECharts PPMC members, Wenli and >> Zhongyi, they still think Echarts want to be part of the foundation, I am >> doing this review report as a shepherd perspective. >> >>> >> >>> I hope the following SERIOUS issues could be fixed as quickly as >> possible, and showing the incubator ECharts community is embracing the >> Apache Wa >> >>> >> >>> 1. Mail list communication. Today, Mail list has very little traffic, >> any decision made is not forwarding to it, even if some discussions happen >> at GitHub. >> >>> 2. Chinese is still widely used in GitHub. I am also a native >> Mandarin speaker, but the purpose of being in the Foundation is looking >> forward to wider/global users, so we need English. Translation service >> could be used if the PPMC think English is a block. But for my personal >> perspective, maybe many people English is not very good, but good enough to >> understand. The community just needs to be guided. >> >>> 3. Serious Branding Issue. https://echarts.baidu.com/ needs to be >> abandoned, including Baidu advertising in this page >> >>> 4. Community build lacked. Developer lacked. From my OSS experiences, >> js project should have more codes contributors, especially for a >> widely-used project like ECharts. Even I know, there are different ways to >> project contributions, but still too less. Only 7 contribute codes over 100 >> lines. At the same time, the top 2 contribute 100k+ and 5k+ lines. This is >> more serious issue than just diversity lacked. If the top 2 left or are >> busy in some cases, the project would stop. >> >>> 5. Mentors feel without PPMC and community feedback/support. Mentors >> from Foundations are volunteers to offer help, these help only work when >> you are willing to learn. I don't have so much to say about this, this >> depends on PPMC and contributor team willings. >> >>> 6. Who will do mental lead? The community in Apache should be(but not >> yet for ECharts) diversity, but I hope/think someone from PPMC could step >> out, do the lead. Such as starting the discussion about report, feature >> roadmap, release plan, community event. This could be not a single >> individual, but really require PPMC show up. >> >>> 7. No one update the Incubator status page. >> https://incubator.apache.org/projects/echarts.html No progress shows >> there. >> >>> 8. Chinese and English websites are not the same. As a native >> Mandarin, this issue shows up. This should not happen. Chinese website >> should be a translation version only, nothing more. >> >>> 9. Why master branch codes have a big gap with the release version. >> In release page, https://github.com/apache/incubator-echarts/releases, >> the number of commit differences keep > 300. Why? Where is the real release >> code? >> >>> 10. Unofficial release page with unexpected releases. >> https://echarts.apache.org/zh/dist/, list in ZH website, >> https://echarts.apache.org/zh/download.html. But not showing at EN page. >> I don't know what are they. >> >>> 11. A lot of unofficial releases show up in GitHub release page. >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-echarts/releases. In the release >> page, only 4.2.1 and 4.1.0(I assume these two passed the incubator votes). >> In that release page, a lot of releases made by core contributor with >> changelog. >> >>> 12. Official GitHub page pointing download page to 3rd party pages, >> including EN. https://github.com/apache/incubator-echarts#get-echarts >> >>> 13. Branding issue about `Official Extensions`( >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-echarts#official-extensions). If it >> is official, it should be hosted in Apache, but clearly, they are not. >> >>> 14. Branding even IP issue about `Developers Contributions`, listed >> in official GitHub readme. >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-echarts#developers-contributions. >> Many individual names listed there, are they part of ECharts? >> >>> >> >>> Suggestions >> >>> Please PPMC could consider to work on the report(even not officially >> for Incubator), which help you to review the project. >> >>> >> >>> All above opinions are myself only. >> >>> I am going to help review if you have report rather than I need to >> spend several hours to review your repo, website and all other resources. >> >>> >> >>> You have many riche experienced mentors, please work with them ASAP. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Sheng Wu 吴晟 >> >>> >> >>> Apache SkyWalking, Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating), Apache Incubator >> >>> Twitter, wusheng1108 >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@echarts.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@echarts.apache.org >> >> -- > Sheng Wu > SkyWalking, Shardingsphere and Zipkin >
