A more concise description of the project's scope is fine by me. Depending on the particular project the term 'build' or 'assemble' sounds apt for how one uses Karaf, so I'm comfortable with either wording.
Jamie On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Chris Custine <[email protected]> wrote: > I like both David and Guillaume's shorter versions. I could accept either > one. > > Chris > -- > Chris Custine > FUSESource :: http://fusesource.com > My Blog :: http://blog.organicelement.com > Apache ServiceMix :: http://servicemix.apache.org > Apache Felix :: http://felix.apache.org > Apache Directory Server :: http://directory.apache.org > > > On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 10:12 AM, David Jencks <[email protected]>wrote: > >> >> On May 31, 2010, at 9:04 AM, Guillaume Nodet wrote: >> >> > This should be a one sentence description of the project. The only >> > purpose is to roughly define the scope. We don't want to be too broad >> > or people won't understand what the project goal is, nor we would want >> > to be too narrow and restrict the scope too much or be too specific. >> > For example, Camel is described as "an open-source integration >> > framework based on known Enterprise Integration Pattern". >> > >> > Other examples are: >> > CouchDB: "... implementing a distributed, fault-tolerant and >> > schema-free document-oriented database" >> > Qpid: "... distributed messaging" >> > Abdera: "... a framework for building clients and servers for the >> > Atom Publishing Protocol and other related technology" >> > >> > I even think we could trim the description a bit. The fact that we >> > want to provide tooling is simply for easing the use of karaf, so >> > maybe something a bit shorter like: >> > "an OSGI-based runtime for building enterprise server applications" >> > >> > That could be enough. We might want to add a bit more details, but >> > not too much imo. >> >> I think shorter is better. I wonder if this would be better: >> >> "an OSGI based runtime for assembling enterprise servers" >> >> "building" usually implies compilation to me and I don't expect most users >> of karaf to have to do compilation to use it (rather than some other osgi >> framework) >> ServiceMix and Geronimo which I think of as servers are built on karaf. >> "Server applications" sort of implies to me that you need an additional >> server to run them on. >> >> thanks >> david jencks >> >> > >> > >> > On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 17:26, Charles Moulliard <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> Based on Gert text, here is what I propose : >> >> >> >> "... for the creation and maintenance of a small, extensible and >> >> enterprise-ready OSGi-based server runtime, capable of being a base >> >> framework for building other enterprise server applications, as well >> >> as the necessary tools, add-ons and components to facilitate building >> >> these applications" >> >> >> >> >> >> --> >> >> >> >> "... for the creation and maintenance of an extensible and OSGI-based >> >> server runtime, capable of being a base framework for building >> >> enterprise server applications, as well as the necessary tools >> >> (command line, (secure) shell, provisioning and logging) and >> >> components to facilitate building, (perhaps we can also add deployment >> >> and management) of these applications. >> >> >> >> Remark : >> >> - if we use "small" as qualifier for the runtime, we should define >> >> what are the boundaries of the server. >> >> Question : >> >> - applications word should be clarified with examples as well as >> >> enterprise server applications to give a better idea of the scope >> >> (Will the server be a Web/EJB container, ...) ? >> >> - Do we have to mention that Karaf project will be developed in close >> >> cooperation with Apache Aries as a lot of features (Transaction, JPA, >> >> ...) of Aries will be part of the "enterprise server application" ? >> >> >> >> Kind regards, >> >> >> >> Charles Moulliard >> >> >> >> Senior Enterprise Architect (J2EE, .NET, SOA) >> >> Apache Camel/ServiceMix Committer >> >> >> >> ******************************************************************* >> >> - Blog : http://cmoulliard.blogspot.com >> >> - Twitter : http://twitter.com/cmoulliard >> >> - Linkedlin : http://www.linkedin.com/in/charlesmoulliard >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Guillaume Nodet <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 11:14, Gert Vanthienen < >> [email protected]>wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> L.S., >> >>>> >> >>>> Adding my (late) +1 for moving Karaf to a TLP >> >>>> >> >>>> Not sure if you're still looking for someone to take an initial stab >> >>>> at the project goal or if that's being discussed on the Felix PMC at >> >>>> the moment, but here's my proposal anyway: >> >>>> "... for the creation and maintenance of >> >>>> a small, extensible and enterprise-ready OSGi-based server runtime, >> >>>> capable of being a base framework for building other enterprise >> >>>> server applications, >> >>>> as well as the necessary tools, add-ons and components to facilitate >> >>>> building these applications" >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> Well, it actually looks perfect to me :-) >> >>> Let's see what other people think about it. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Regards, >> >>>> >> >>>> Gert Vanthienen >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On 30 May 2010 22:53, Lukasz Dywicki <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I would like to say 'yes' for TLP (even if my vote doesn't count). >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I try contribute Karaf from time to time and I wish continue doing >> that, >> >>>>> when it will move to top level too. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> For me it does not make sense to try close all OSGi releated things >> in >> >>>> Felix >> >>>>> project. At this moment we have Aries which is also very closer to >> OSGi >> >>>> but >> >>>>> it's not a part of Felix. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Best regards, >> >>>>> Lukasz Dywicki >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Jarek Gawor-2 wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I would like to be involved with this TLP as well. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Thanks, >> >>>>>> Jarek >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On Friday, May 28, 2010, Guillaume Nodet <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>>> It seems there is a consensus to move Karaf as a TLP, at least >> amongst >> >>>>>>> people involved in Karaf (the other felix committers haven't really >> >>>>>>> expressed any opinion). >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I think the next steps would be to draft a proposed resolution to >> the >> >>>>>>> board, >> >>>>>>> which would include: >> >>>>>>> * the project goal >> >>>>>>> * the project PMC (including the chair) >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> In order to create an open community from the start, I'd like to >> invite >> >>>>>>> anyone with an Apache account willing to contribute to Karaf to >> raise >> >>>>>>> hands >> >>>>>>> so that we can build this list. I don't think opening it wider for >> now >> >>>>>>> would be wise, but I do thing we should have a very low entry bar >> for >> >>>>>>> committership (but that can be discussed later). >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I'll try to come up with a proposal for Karaf's project goal asap, >> but >> >>>>>>> anyone is welcome to give it a try and propose some wording. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> FWIW, it would like the following, we just need to fill the XXXX: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best >> >>>>>>> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the >> >>>>>>> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management >> >>>>>>> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of >> >>>>>>> open-source software related to a machine learning platform >> >>>>>>> for distribution at no charge to the public. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management >> >>>>>>> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Karaf Project", >> >>>>>>> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the >> >>>>>>> Foundation; and be it further >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Karaf Project be and hereby is >> >>>>>>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of software >> >>>>>>> related to XXXXXXX; and be it further >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Karaf" >> be >> >>>>>>> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to >> >>>>>>> serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the >> chair >> >>>>>>> of the Apache Karaf Project, and to have primary >> responsibility >> >>>>>>> for management of the projects within the scope of >> >>>>>>> responsibility of the Apache Karaf Project; and be it >> further >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and >> >>>>>>> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the >> >>>>>>> Apache Karaf Project: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> * xxx <[email protected]>> >> >>>>>>> * ... >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that XXXXX >> >>>>>>> be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Karaf, >> to >> >>>>>>> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the >> >>>>>>> Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until >> >>>>>>> death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification, >> >>>>>>> or until a successor is appointed; and be it further >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Karaf PMC be and hereby is >> >>>>>>> tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to >> >>>>>>> encourage open development and increased participation in >> the >> >>>>>>> Apache Mahout Project; and be it further >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> RESOLVED, that the Apache Karaf Project be and hereby >> >>>>>>> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the >> Apache >> >>>>>>> Felix Karaf sub-project; and be it further >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache >> >>>>>>> Felix Karaf sub-project encumbered upon the >> >>>>>>> Apache Felix Project are hereafter discharged. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 12:20, Guillaume Nodet <[email protected]> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Karaf has been brought into the Felix TLP nearly one year ago. >> >>>>>>>> Things have not been too bad, but I still see the karaf community >> as >> >>>>>>>> being very disjoint from the other felix community, as it looks >> that >> >>>>>>>> none >> >>>>>>>> of the existing felix committers did really get involved in Karaf. >> I >> >>>>>>>> really >> >>>>>>>> don't blame anyone, i think it's just that the interest are not >> the >> >>>> same >> >>>>>>>> (not sure >> >>>>>>>> where they actually diverge though). >> >>>>>>>> I don't really see what benefit Karaf would have in continuing >> being >> >>>>>>>> part >> >>>>>>>> of Felix, so >> >>>>>>>> I'd like to open the discussion about moving it to a TLP. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >> >>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet >> >>>>>>>> ------------------------ >> >>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/ >> >>>>>>>> ------------------------ >> >>>>>>>> Open Source SOA >> >>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>> Cheers, >> >>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet >> >>>>>>> ------------------------ >> >>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/ >> >>>>>>> ------------------------ >> >>>>>>> Open Source SOA >> >>>>>>> http://fusesource.com >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> -- >> >>>>> View this message in context: >> >>>> >> http://old.nabble.com/-DISCUSS--Move-Karaf-as-a-TLP-tp28557580p28724755.html >> >>>>> Sent from the Apache Felix - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Cheers, >> >>> Guillaume Nodet >> >>> ------------------------ >> >>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/ >> >>> ------------------------ >> >>> Open Source SOA >> >>> http://fusesource.com >> >>> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Cheers, >> > Guillaume Nodet >> > ------------------------ >> > Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/ >> > ------------------------ >> > Open Source SOA >> > http://fusesource.com >> >> >
