Moving this thread to public dev list ... Adding my statement from the initial thread, that from now on I will stop contributing to things not built by a sensible build (doesn't have to be Maven even if I strongly suggest it).
Chris -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Alex Harui [mailto:aha...@adobe.com] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 5. November 2015 23:07 An: priv...@flex.apache.org Betreff: Re: Loosing my drive ... Chris, can we re-start or move this thread to dev@? I don’t think it should be private. It’s ok for the community to know you are frustrated. If not, can we at least start a poll on dev@ about Maven? I have more to say, but I’d rather wait until the thread is public. Thanks, -Alex On 11/5/15, 1:59 PM, "omup...@gmail.com on behalf of OmPrakash Muppirala" <omup...@gmail.com on behalf of bigosma...@gmail.com> wrote: >Chris, > >I really hope you don't lose drive. Think of this as a marathon and >not a sprint, if that helps :-) > >Building with maven is a great thing to have for Flex and FlexJS. The >main problem is that lots of folks don't know what Maven is, much less >go inside and make it work. I believe you are one of the very few in >the world who can do this. > >Maybe, you can start by describing the problems you are seeing, explain >why they need to be solved and ask others to help out. It would be >beneficial if you a live wiki page where you list a set of issues you >are working on and invite people to help out. Smaller the chunks, the >easier it is for others to help out. > >When I was working on the Android 4.x and iOS7+ skins, it seemed >overwhelming at the beginning. Then I asked people for help and few >folks helped out which inspired me to work and really helped out the >project as a whole. > >Here are the wiki pages I had going during that project: >https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLEX/Progress+info+for+Andr >oid >+4.x+skins >https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=466337 >47 > >Hope this helps. > >Thanks for all the great work you have been doing all these years. > >Regards, >Om > >On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Harbs <harbs.li...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Chris, >> >> We definitely don’t want you to lose your drive. (At least I don’t…) >> >> Personally, until recently I knew nothing about build processes. >> Sure, I’ve run ant from the command line, but I had no clue what I was doing. >> >> To me, Maven is just a word. I got to the point where I have an idea >>how ant works, although I can’t say I’m really proficient at using >>it. I know nothing about Maven besides the fact that you believe very >>strongly that it’s the way to go. I’d be willing to learn if you’re >>willing to teach. >> >> I do agree with you that the build process is pretty complex (or at >>least it feels that way), but I don’t know if that’s by necessity or >>not. To me it seems like a mess of ant scripts dependent on each >>other where the dependencies are very hard to follow. Maybe even a >>document which spells out the dependencies and the order of them (if >>the order matters) would be helpful. >> >> On Nov 5, 2015, at 11:31 PM, Christofer Dutz >> <christofer.d...@c-ware.de> >> wrote: >> >> > Taking this to another thread ... >> > >> > The problem is that for the last 3 or 4 years I have done nothing >> > else >> than clean up behind others. I want to create great things, but all I >>do all the time is clean up. Why? Cause none else seems to care and >>if I don't do it none will. But I'm dramatically loosing my drive. >>Especially if I motivate myself to get things done and then I have to >>wait till that drive goes away due to politics, legal discussions, >>simple understanding issues or other restraints. Other people seem to >>have similar issues, but I can't tell cause I have stopped reading >>the FlexJS and Falcon release threads a while ago as they only seemed >>to contain people having problems. >> > >> > With Maven, no matter what project I have come across, all you >> > needed >>to >> do is, checkout and run "mvn clean install" ... no matter what >>project, it just works and I can concentrate on what I want to do ... >>cause it's definitely not me wanting to be the caretaker of a build >>someone puked into the repository (I am not talking about the Flex >>build being build-puke, it's bad, but not quite that bad ;-) , but I >>have come across quite some bad builds in my past). If our build was >>deterministic and simple, more than two people would contribute, but >>I'm repeating myself. I would suggest to hit the brake, cleanup the >>build and as soon as that's solid, continue. >> I know that this way the release will be later, but we would gain the >>momentum we need. FlexJS will never reach it's potential as long as >>only 2 or 3 people work on it. >> > >> > >> > Chris >> >>
